I'm honored to have Vince on my show, Vince Ellison, and he I've watched some of the stuff that you've put out, but the real reason, and I could probably talk to you for two or three hours we're just shooting. But what I would like to talk about is I've heard fascist, racist, and everything else talking about Charlie Kirk, and I want to hear from you as his friend. Who was Charlie Kirk. Well, look, i've watched your show as well. You're doing awesome. Man, You're doing good work. Thank you for doing it. People hear it, and thank you for having me on to talk about my good friend Charlie Kirk, because, like you said, the left has to lie on Charlie. And again, Charlie wasn't Jesus Christ. Okay, so I'm not trying to compare Charlie to Jesus, But just like they lying on Jesus, you know, when he rolls from the dead, whether they say ooh, they stole his body, they can't tell the truth on Charlie. Because but here's a good thing. They didn't have the internet back then. They got it now. And if anyone hears something negative about Charlie Kirk. I would just ask you to do your own research and not just and if you find a sound bite, find that, find the whole thing and watching it in context, and you will find out the devil's not a racist bone in Charlie Kirk's body. How do I know I knew Charlie? I didn't just I knew him. Well, we talked a lot. I did speeches for tv USA for Blexit. I was on his show almost a dozen times. So what was black sit Bleaxit is an offshoot of TP USA, Turning Point USA. It's the thing that Charlie started. Then Cannis Owns got started with with Charlie, and that's when it really blew up. And you know, maybe around twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, so Cannis and Charlie will go to these college campuses and they tag team, right, and then Candace wanted to do a more of a concentrated concept of going to the black community and she wanted to call it blexit. It is a it was an offshoot of the term when Britain left the EU and they called it Brexit. She called this Blexit, and she was talking about the black community leaving the Democratic Party. So TP USA allowed Blexit to to operate under their their umbrella, and Candace started going to black colleges and black universities and talking about the conservative Christian message there and it started doing very well. Then Candace left and she went to prager U and she went to Ben Shapiro. Now she's doing her own thing, but Blexit still remained. And then there's a good young man. They're running Blexit now. His name is p Air Pierre Wilson, and Pierre is running it and it's still going strong, and we're going to expand it to a lot of HBC. I think what's cool about that is I think when you dive deep down and that's that's not Charlie Kirk putting words to things. That's him putting money in his name and everything that he did behind something that's important to you. Yeah, yeah, Charlie was a racist. Whyley do that right? Yeah? And so why is it so important to you as his friend to go to the black community, go to the black colleges and say, hey, this is the truth. This isn't like I. And because it's life experiences that you've had. It's it's interesting. Man. Eighty five percent of black people say they're Christian, right, About seventy five percent of white people say they're Christian right. That's how about commonality? And you and I both have experienced this. And when black and white Christians sit down and talk, you got nine nine percent of everything in common. You know, when we find out we're not enemies. But there are people on the left, and they are atheists, most of them Marxist socialists, atheist liberals, cruel people. They won't power, and the way they accumulate this power is by making sure that ninety percent of black people vote for the Democratic Party. My first book was called The Iron Triangle. I talked about this. I worked in the prison five years and in the nineties I saw these young black men come into prison the Clinton Biden crime bill, and I asked the black intelligency why these young men come in to jealous sis astronomical numbers, and they told me this lie. They said, well, evil, rich white Republicans hate black people, are gonna lock them up. Well I was nive there, and I said, I'm gonna put a stop to this. So I started a nonprofit, went down into the black community. And when I got down there, I didn't see eaton I didn't see any evil rich white conservative Republicans anywhere. You see a unicorn before you saw one, right, right. But what I saw was a bunch of black people making a lot of money off the progress offered the chaos. I'm sorry, and I called this group the Iron Triangle. They were most black preachers, most black politicians, and most black civil rights workers, and they were conduits between rich white liberals who were paying them in the poor black community. And these guys job was make sure the black people worked for voted for the Democratic Party by hook or by crook. The black preacher was the worst. About ninety percent of these suckers a completely corrupt and they are just contractors for the Democratic Party. When I did when I ran for office in South Carolina for Congress, my father, who well, when I was born, he was a sharecropper and he made his money in the insurance industry, and he o, yeah, here, he had a gospel music a station in Brownsville, so he deubted black preachers all the time. And my father took me to the side. He said, son, listen to me. I taught you to reveal the church, and I told you to love God, he said, But you trust a bootleger before you trust a black preacher. But that even I think. What's weird about that is, back in those days, when you looked at the Democratic Party, they were they were fairly conserved. I mean, you had a lot of conservative people, not the conservative you see today, but you had people that were like genuinely interested in humankind, law and order and everything else. And so how do you go from a Democratic party like that. To what it is now? Yeah, those old blue dog Democrats are talking about. Yes, man, it came out of civil rights movement. Okay, you had a bunch of Marxists and communists and weirdos and hippies and feminists, and there do wells that jumped into the civil rights movement and took out a moral absoluteness. And when when Martin Luther King Jr. Got shot, they tried to take over the Democratic Party in nineteen sixty eight at the convention in Chicago, and you remember Mayor Daily sit the hard hats out there and beat them all up, and they started screaming, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching. And so Salolinsky was there and he said, y'all got three choices either go find you either go somewhere and crime, find us off a whaling wall, start throwing bombs, and if you do that, you're going to turn people over to the GOP. Or come back in four years and you beat the delegates. And they chose the third one. They went home. They regrouped. In nineteen seventy two, they came to Florida, Miami, Florida, to the convention. They were so organized that Mary Daily, the guy there, had run them out of Chicago. They ran him out in Miami. They took over the party and that was the first time that the Democratic Party had gave rights, had abortion, had all this feminist crap put into the party. Richard Nixon cleaned their clocks that year, destroyed them. So what did they do to Nixon? They put the watergate on him. Gerald Ford became president. He went down and they bought in Carter. Carter tried to inflevent a lot of this stuff. And who cleaned his clock? Ronald Reagan and the American people kept rejecting this foolishness. Bill Clinton came in, tried to do some of it. What did they do? They cleaned his clock? New Giners came in, Bill Clinton went by conservatives and then finally they got there. One who was at Barack husaint Obama, and Obama was while he was running. He ran as a moderate, and you can recall he said he believed the marriage between one man and one woman. When he asked about abortions above my pay grade. He didn't say anything about Obamacare anything, anything, Obamacare, reparations, nothing. But then he gets in the office and what does he do. Obamacare is the first thing he does, sex change operations, and Obamacare for free, free sex change operations, free abortion, and Obamacare forced insurance companies to cover sex change operations and abortions. Start allowing illegals to come in. Lie about it. He's telling people he's deporting them. But what he did was he lied. He started taking illegals that were called turnarounds before then he started calling them the deportations, but he was allowing other ones in. So Obama allowed the that gonna be I llegals in Okay. People rejected him and Bobian Trump, but you we understand what I was Trump COVID impeachment. Biden comes in and tries to keep the thing going. We rejected again, and we bring Trump back in and Trump says, I'm tired of this, and he is destroying the whole foundation of the Democratic Party. From the cartels he's blown up these ships, to the drugs, to the money laundry, to the unions, to Antifa. Everything that makes them work the college and the university is the grants and all the money going to these NGOs. He's drying it all up, and they're freaking out because Trump is destroying the foundation of this evil institution. He went to Supreme Court and say no, you can't do sex change operations to children. He's stopping the whole trans movement in his tracks. And so he's pushing all of this stuff back because America finally understood because the people are like you and me and others out there, these are the ones that are doing this. This isn't coming from the ether. This is planned, it's organized. And they lay their head that the DNC and at the Democratic Party. And now that people know it, and they saw it, they saw it in line of Living Color at this Charlie Kirk Momorto, not one Democrat showed. Up, really, not one, just somebody from leadership or anything. Nobody we had to speak of the House there, we had the president that the vice president there, Leon must showed up for respect, Glenn Beck showed Patrick Beck, David showed up, all of these. Not one Democrat showed up to just stand and say. Look, I might not agree with. Charlie Kirk, but he was a good man. He's a good man the right to say what happened was tragic. Let's bring the country together, Let's stop all of this violence. You know what, because they wanted them dead. So you know, kind of what you're saying triggers a thought processing me as far as how things work, and you talk about how people go back and forth with each other, and I think that was what was really unique about Charlie. Yes, he could have a conversation with somebody he disagreed with and he wasn't trying to change their mind. He was just trying to give him the other side of the story. Yeah, so what is the so with everything that's going on in the world today, with the Democratic Party and everything else, what is the other side of the story That was so terrifying. Just like when you were a kid, if you lost an argument or anything else, all you had is left is the name calling. Why are we fascist? Why are we racist all those things? Why are we like that? And what is the endgame for the Democratic Party? When it gets to that, they can't be the argument. They cannot do it because see when I go on to college campus and you have a child that's twenty years old, that's been told since Obama that America is systemic, systemically racist, and I actually where he's from. He's like, I'm Chicago, Detroit. No. I said, well, all the systems in the area you came from control by the Democratic Party. They control the system in the black community. They control the schools, they control the jails, they control the judges, they control the prisons. I mean, you know, they control the systems that you call as systemically racist. No, you're a Democratic Party is racist. Well, they talk about white privilege. I said, well, there's a privilege to be white, but it's also a privilege to be black, it's a privilege to be Hispanic, it's a privilege to be Asian Jewish. We God gave us all privileges. Then when they say, well, h white supremacy, So white supremacy, white sprivilegyes like voodoos. Huh, you got to believe it. For the many fact on you. I don't have a problem him being feeling good about himself. Well, if he thinks he's supreme. A lot of white boys jumping the ring with Hannadli thinking that they was gonna whoop it ket knocked out. No, your job is feel good about yourself, not try to pull somebody else down. This is a miracle. Boy, You better compete when you go out there. That guy's gonna brings you better bring yours. Your own football player. You know that your job, if your job might be to demoralize him on that line of scrimmage, but you're not gonna talk him into feeling inferior to you. You've got to prove that you're better. You gotta win. That's it. And that's the mindset that I throw at these people all the time. So he's walk I walk into a campus, I'll walk up into the room all the sudden that I said, time you talk about white supremacy, heart, that you have white privilege over me. I said, show me your white privilege over me. Let's put it to the test. Who in this room think that you have privilege over me? And it's an illusion, it's an anomaly. And if they come to with Dee I and try to defend it. All I say, to the end of this, you do you do need the EI because you're inferior. I don't need it. My brothers don't need it, my sisters don't it, my friends don't need it. But you're inferior minded and you're gonna need it for the rest of your life. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna give you a one room apartment about thousand dollars a month. Let you stand on the point and drink forties while the rest of us go do great things. They can't break our argument. The problem they have with us is one thing we believe in the thing they hate the most, and that's Jesus Christ. When I say these people are evil, I'm not playing with it. You're boughting babies until the ninth month. You're cutting, You're castrating little boys and call them little girls. You're giving double missect these little girls and calling them little boys. You're allowing the Minton men to go into the bathroom with your wife and your children while they urinate. You're allowing the Minton men to go into the locker rooms with your daughters while they changed clothes. You're allowed the mint to men to play in sports with your daughters. Man, you're a loot drag. Queens are going to the school to state they behind in your son's faces. You're putting the Bible out of the library, wouldn't pouring in. And these people couldn't show up at Charlie Kirk event because it was been a like bringing Dracula into a church. They can't stand that now they you know, you saw how they rioting with George Floyd and all the rest of them. Right, we didn't do any rioting. But how so how do we get the because I feel like all the stuff because I was a recipient of the police reform and the way we police, and basically what it did is it told the police don't go out there and make contact with the community because if you do, you're going to be called all these names. And so how does the I don't even think it's the right. I think it, I mean, and I don't want to claim one thing over the other. But I thought one of the most interesting podcasts I ever saw was Dan Boniingino had a guy and I think you're talking about far left, far right, But like I think there are a lot of people in both parties that want to arrive at a certain destination. How has the group that you're talking about, the evil group, silenced all the good people. They have a lot of money, come from a lot of evil people. The George Sorol says, the Priskkers, the Disney family, and they have a lot of money, and they come in and they fund the whole party. And they've actually run everybody else out, the abortion industry, the teachers unions, the atheists. They have bundled and they are giving hundreds of millions of dollars a Democratic Party, And if you are a Democrat Party candidate, you have to side with them to win. And you know what, And I've talked to Democrats in office that are in something like the majority black district and they said, man, if I don't side with these people, they're gonna give that money to a guy that will. And what I can do then is I can talk to you and tell you how to maneuver around this and get something done. But when in public, I got to speak out against you. But you're right on school choice. These schools are terrible. You're right on us bringing the family back together. You're right on us bringing God back into the public square. You're right on his LGBTQ stuff. You're right on immigration, that're bringing all these immigrants up to our city, and we don't have enough for our own children, right, and now we have to our children. Our teachers have to say half of the school day to teach a child that can't speak English how to get to this school, how to get through the school day. And our children are suffering. They're bringing crime. We only got a certain amount of housing here, and then they come in and the rents go up, and then the crime goes up, and they don't want it. But they said, if we come out against it, the Democratic Party takes our funny. So what I have to do is assist you. Go talk to that person in my city. Go talk to this person in my city. Go get on the radio station in my city and tell my people about it, and help them make me do it. So here's the question. And I'm sure I have you met win some seers. Oh yes, and you listen to her story? Yes, how can you be I don't care if you're black, white, or who you are. How could you not embrace a story like that? The story of success, like she served her country, came here from another country, served her country, did all those things. But yet somehow it pisses me off. The PBA endorsed a Democrat, and we've on the law enforcement side. See what happens when those policies come into effect. Why are communities not embracing Because I think people want law in order, they want more law enforcement. But how do you get people out the general public? How do you educate them and say, hey, this person is not good for you. You know what, Charlie Kirk was doing something which is what I'm doing. You doing that? The R and C has never done well in times of peace. You planned for war. Okay, Now, you guys practice all the time for when stuff breaks off, right, you're prepared for it. You know, practice well the stuff that broke up. Let's start practicing, you practice when it breaks off. The R and C wants to start going into the black community two weeks for an election, whereas the Democrat is that all the time. And eighty percent of any gig is old ball billion term. Eighty percent of any gig is just showing up, being there, letting people see you on the ground all the time. For years, the R and C will not go into the black community. And there's a big reason of eyeing that they made a deal in nineteen ninety two that if that if the Black Democrats and the Republicans come together and draw these districts, that they'll stay out of the Black community of perpetuity. So when you go into Norfolk in these black areas, they haven't seen the Republican in forty years in these areas, and they've already formed an opinion upon somebody like Wins some Seers. Why because that black pastor told him, and he's a no good line in a you know, the NAACP and the SELC and the rest of the ANTIFA and and Black Lives Matter told him, right. Uh, the teachers on the Teachers Union stole them. So all the people who they know are and are in contact to you every day, who have been paid by the Democrats have already told them who Wins some Seers is. And so when Wins shows up in their minds, he's already been called all these terrible names. And she's working for the white folks, and she and and you only and because she only has a finite amount of time to change their minds, it's almost an impossibility. So what do we do people like you and not doing our podcast trying to educate people all the time about what's going on on out there in real time. And since the election of Donald Trump, and Charlie had about maybe for conferences. Last time I saw it was a conference in Tampa and and uh uh yeah, it was Tampa Bay in Tampa Bay. Man, it was so many people that that that gun conference. But he had a talker, was there, Don Junior was there, and we were all talking about the things we're talking about now, bringing Christ back into our lives. School choice, so we can teach our children the way we want to teach them. What does the Bible say about family? What does the Bible say about abortion? Everything that Charlie did and I do and Blecks it does, it comes from the Bible. We support it through our scripture. And I've always told people, as Jesus said, a double minded man is unbalanced in all of his ways. You cannot have a Christian point of view socially and then vote for liberalism politically. You'll have a cultural flux, You'll have conflict consistently. So we believe in the Bible but we're gonna tell to send our children to schools that that teaches them that the homosexuality and gain marriage and chances and thereon was Okay, you can't have that. So we we at tp U s a at at at at Black sit Well also do speeches for the for the Young American Foundation, My books, my podcast, my documentaries, all of them comes from this fundamental point of view. Are you a Christian? Yes I am? Then this is how you're supposed to respond to these things. Period. There ain't no if anzel, But what can I leave my religion aside when I vote no? But how so, one of the things I think people say a lot about Christians is they're judging people. And I think if you listen to Charlie Kirk, he didn't judge anybody. He didn't. And so how how do we how do you? And how do people get the messaging out there to say I love you as a human, but what you're doing is wrong. The greatest attribute of love is telling the truth. Love is an action verb. Okay, we tell you the truth. If I hear and you're my friend and you on crack cocaine, I ain't gonna sit there and enable you. I do want to say, what's to say here about you doing crack man? No, no, no, you're gonna stop. It is what you're gonna do. And as a friend, I'm going to demand a standard of you always you're demanded of me. This is how we sharpen each other. As men, we hold each other to account. Come, come in visiting. I'll let you buyself what so on? You you're gonna you gonna make that right? Okay, got your word, got your word? All right? That's it. And as men we shake hands. Ain't no written contract. Accountability. It's accountability. And we hold each and Christians do that. We were told to do it. Love one another, give for a barrassed or sharpen one another. That's what's that mean. Hold you to account, pull you to the side, talk to you, gird you up. You do the same for me. And when we do that, we help one another. But we don't enable one another. I tell you the truth. That's why they hated Jesus. He went in that temple and said, you think the Romans are your problem? No, no, no, your problem with them fuckers? Right over with that the same Handrin Pharisees aside your sees that's your problem, and that's when they start to killing. Charlie went out and told people, look, man, you're a grown man and you're still on your mother's breast, which is the government. Cut that mess out and get to work. And what happens They both hate you. Don't think the God says, a cold dependency going on? You got this the minted mom that gets some type of a pleasure on her son set on his breast and he's seven eight years older. He gets some type of pleasure on it. And then you come and you confront that cold dependency, and both of them look at you and get angry, and they get mad at the person that's told them the truth. Nobody said it more than the truth telling a guy that tells you you're a grown man, get to work, boy, that make you angry. You've been in the house laying down on a hot day, and Daddy comes and said, boy, that I tell you know that yard? Right? Yes, sir, what is it? Mode? It's no sense right, get out there and do it. You're mad, but it's true, but. You're out there moaning. You're out there moaning. So how do we get people to start mowing the grass. Well, what we have to do selling the truth? Man like you and I hold them to the count. Look them in the eye. Boy, you know better than that instead of just walking past like we usually do. Now, is that you can't judge? Well, when you tell me I can't judge, you're judging me. So you're a liar. Yeah, we have to judge rightly. That's what our Bible tells us. Judge rightly, to tell you. Look, and we have to understand what this judgment thing is. Okay, you have the prosecutor, you have the defense, you have the jury, and you have the judge. The prosecute. The jury just finds you guilty. They don't put the punishment on you. No, the judge puts the punishment on you. That's the judgment. So when our Bible talks about judging people, that means putting punishment on them. You've done wrong. Now I'm going to punish you. No, But I can say you've done wrong. I can look at you and say, it's like telling you that you're on a red coat. It's true, right, I mean if I catch you still, then you're stealing. Boy, that's wrong. Now do I have a right? Then? There and take a baseball bat and beat you in the streets. What No, that's what the thought. So when people talk about judgment, it is not forming an opinion. That's not judgment. Judgment is throwing the penalty down. You arrest the guy. You ain't judging it. I'm gonna take you to the prosecute is gonna Seidbry to prosecute you or not right, and then we're gonna take you to Jermy and the jury's gonna find whether you guilty Anderson, and then the judge is gonna get up there and he said, well, okay, you can go or he can put the time on you. So one of the things that I think, and my brain just works in like steps, and I feel like the reason you were here and the reason you have the thought processes you have and the beliefs that you have is the raid that you were raised. Yes, we have a whole generation that wasn't raised like that, and. So how do we how? And I feel like that's what Charlie was doing. He was he was like he was a shock that said no it stops today, you know, Like to use your example, he just broke the seal off at Nipple and. Today. It stops today. How do we move forward? So how do we? How do we how? I don't think you'll ever replace what Charlie Kurtin did, But what do we tell these kids? We send some of our people out to the local campuses to talk to these kids, and they have a lot of feelings. Yeah, but how do we convert that into action? Because I think Charlie was action. Yes, he was one of the things. And this is the reason why I support school choice. Okay, school is mandatory, yes, and you have it almost every day. And this one size spit all of education is not working. America for a long time was a bottom up system where in the forties and fifties, when me and me and your mom and daddy went went went to school, they knew that the parents were not educated, They just weren't right, And so they knew they would have to get those children and start from the bottom up, the most the most uneducated child for the most ignorant backwood of contemplantation. And we got our TC children everything, and and and they did. My father and your father and mama learned how to ReadWrite for the first month of the first ones in their family. And we learned. Now it's the top down system where you gotta have two parents in the house, you gotta have a stable environment, and you gotta have all this, all that, and then the child does well. But the bottom children do terribly. But the top children we have options. Your children of mine got options. I get tell them to private school if I want to. With the public US kid, he got a nice suburban school. But these children at the bottom, and the Democrats benefit from that, they have no incentive to change. It because they have dependence. Yes, so what happens? This is what I love about Trump. Whther things I love about it In the most of school choice. Most people, unless they are insane, want their child they have a better chance at life than they do. They want them to get a better education than they have. They want their son to grow up, me to take care of themselves and their mother. School choice is that opportunity. When Donald Trump was a hard head, what is it dad to do? Simson Military Academy? So the boy didn't govern. I'm tired of you. I'm on the road working all the time. You at home, show on your ass. I got something for you. And then a lot of parents will have that ability. But a lot of parents don't. But I can guarantee you if you walk into a house with a mama with three children, they daddy in jail, dead or just gone, and they're not doing well in school, and me and you walk in there s miss Jones. Yes, we got school down here in this city. It's gonna cost you nothing because you got school choice. That money gonna follow your child. We're gonna put him in a uniform. We're gonna teach him to be a man. This is an all boy school. We're gonna teach him how it is religion. We're gonna teach him how to take or We're gonna teach him to be a man. You send your boy to us by the time he gives me eighteen years else on human be taking care of you. He ain't gonna be in jail. He ain't gonna be around here with three or four baby mamas. He ain't gonna be on dope. He gonna grow up. He either go to college, you're gonna go to the military. You're gonna get a job, and he's gonna be a good law bidy citizen. I promise you send him to us. I guarantee you that do it. But you know what, the Democrats will fight you tooth and nail before they give you that. That's how we change. It because of because of the union. The union, the teacher union get them so much money. They give nine a percent of their money to the Democratic Party. Is hundreds of millions of dollars. Now that stupid um um mayor up in Chicago all in the teachers Union's pockets, all in it. And he's in trouble right now because he prompts them so much money. But then he gave them money to the illegals. And you know now, you know he's got to continue. So that's the thing that's the fight. If we're going to change this, we got to go back again. And we can change it in one generation if we can just and and whatever. Give you quite a good example. Hurricane Katrina tore down New Orleans. Just raided in Washington Post. I think it's a twentieth and the very twenty fifth anniversary or something like that. They were talking about the miracle in New Orleans and the public educational system. It tore down all the schools and New Orleans needed money to build the school's back. But in Vaton Rouge the Republicans from in the show, and they said, the only way you get any money from the state of the state of the State of Louisiana or from the fans is that you got to put school choice in New Orleans when we rebuild those schools. New Orleans had to do it. They fined seven thousand teachers. They put up charter schools and private schools. Now New Orleans has one of the best public educational systems in the whole United States of America, and they call it a miracle. Why choice, They know how to do it. And these Democrats looked at New Orleans and we can't do that anywhere else, y'all. If do, we're done. They had vouchers in Washington, d c. Baracco and the parents gave it a ninety five percent approval rating. Barack Obama comes in and cuts them out. Why teachers union say we don't want them. Why they don't want the competition? The KIP academies all the acknowledge is power. Academies all over the country love them. These people. That's why they say that evil for you to take a child that send in the school twelve years not being able to read. They just did a pope see an end gifts gave us and say, sixty three percent of American children can read. And that's sixty three percent. And we're not talking about the ones that don't read. Well, this is proficient and everything else. If you can't read, you can't do anything. And they have these stats and they say full speed ahead, and then they'll still fight against school choice and plays like Baltimore where not one school is proficient in mathematic and science, Detroit the same. They know what they're doing. It works for them. It's a modern day plantation system. Like those slave masters knew what he was doing. Don't teach him to read. Because an educated man cannot be a slave, an educated man cannot be a dependent, an educated man will not be controlled. So what do you do? Keep going educated betically? And I think that's a key point. I know we experienced that in Afghanistan. We said that there is no way this whole happened in the first generation, two to three generations away from this working, because they have to see the success. Yes, they have to see, hey, I made this investment and now because of this it's gotten better. And I think I think that's the key is how do you get the message out that like there number one, there is a choice, yes, but number two that choice can do a lot of good things. Well, we're almost there, Toss Trump is he's just mailing the Department of Education right now. A lot of states, a lot of states have school choice programs and they're expanding them incrementally. A lot of a lot of red states to blue states still fight against them. But as people start seeing that the red states have these school choice programs, as you know, you already have the mass migration back to the Red states. South Carolina and Tennessee and Florida and Texas are just booming. And Texas just started a school choice program and so as these school choices in Florida has real nice men, and so as these programs pick up, Steve and there's a children get old and older, we can start this testing them better. I think Florida is saying, there's like maybe three years Desat's got a real good school choice program down in Florida. So you you can you can assess what the children are doing. And I think that that's going to be our way out of this quagmire by teaching children again, like you said, holding them accountable, teaching, putting guardrails in front of them and letting them understand absolutes, making it binary, it's it's it's not. It's not right to give a child all of these different options, because the child's gonna always take the easiest one. I used to love being at home when my daddy went there, because we could do what I wanted to do. As soon as the old man comes home, it stops. The guardrails go up there. But it taught you disciplined in order and product and you were productive, and you were productive all the foolish and Mama that that's what we wanted to do. We get away with all kind of craping. Mama not too busy, she was too bit, she's too tired. She going to the closed room with the door and go to sleep. And we just be running off through the house. But when Dad comes, it stops. Every thing. It's done, everything's orally, everything's right. And it kept us and he had four sons, so it kept us out of trouble. And I love him today. For my dad's eighty three years old. And I just told and I just sa the Ma every time I see him how much I loved him that he was mean as hell. Now I was growing up, but I see why you had to do it. Now. He's just nice, gentle old guy, but he understood that he had to keep his sons in line so that we did not end up in jail or dead or strung out on dope. And he did it. I think for me, I think when you look at kind of evolution of what the federal government used to be and what state governments were, it's almost like they flip floped. Yeah, law and order is at the federal system now because you have an executive branch that is actually going and being aggressive. So how how do we get the word out there to people and say, hey, look at what Trump is doing. You might like it, dislike it, or whatever, but it's still moving forward. But how do we prepare local and state governments for this responsibility that they haven't had before, that the Department of Education had, Because if the localities aren't prepared for it really doesn't it doesn't. I mean, I guess the example you gave in New Orleans, maybe it's going to be like you're you're you're gonna have to figure it out. We're going to give you the framework but you're going to follow the framework, and maybe that's the answer. Maybe the answer is framework, figure it out. You know what, one of the coolest things that are happened within the last five six years. It's like when Rush got on AM radio. They cut FM out for us. They didn't want us own FM because they controlled FM with all the music and whatnot. And then Rush went on to AM. But people people have a farm, reports and stuff like that, right, and people started listening, and then everybody else started going on AM radio. And AM radio became the talk radio and became the place where con service went to hear the truth. And that's where Reagan came from, you know, and that where Bush came from. And now what has happened. They cut us out of cable television. You know, we're you're seeing in the MSNBC, ABCC. We only had basically Fox It maybe newsbacks. But now what's happened. Podcasts like you and I out there now and they can't control this space. And Trump went into that space this last time, and Rogan and Patrick Batt, David and many others and one and then just people like me and you out here talking about what was going on, and people listening again and something happened in the black community that was amazing them. Republicans never got eighty percent of the Black vote since Reconstruction, I mean to the twenty percent. Democrats has been getting ninety percent and above, and that's how they win that ninety percent above. Anything below ninety it becomes problem, very hard for them. We finally broke into that and it went down to eighty percent. And Trump's landslide came from that. It came from the fact that he won full of deaf He he not didn't win it. He got more votes in Philadelphia there was, but he got enough because he had lost philis baby like ten thousand votes the first time. I think he lost seven states by forty thousand votes. We made all of that up. See, we knew where they hit and we knew who to talk to. So me being a black conservative talking to people in Atlanta, talking to people in Philly, I did black SIT's pieces, and Philadelphia I did money Detroit. I was doing them all in black communities and black people were showing up. That's showing up with my books. They're showing up the saying they've listened to my podcast. They've showed up talking about Wen. You know, your podcast is Mussy TV. We get around the TV and neighbors coming. We watch it together and we are telling people come watch this, and it's changing their minds. They are finally seeing it because, as I've said before on my podcast, you got three types of Democrats. They call them ice democrats, Ice, ignorant, crazy and evil. Are ignorant. They just don't know. Hell, I didn't know when I was young. So I understand that you're getting your information from the preacher, from you know, black radio, uh, from the NAACP, and then from black politicians. So you're so you're ignorant. Then you got the ones that are crazy. You've seen them get on dope, got yeah, sometimes homeless, you know they they they we pray for him. It ain't much you can do for him. You don't make fun of them, you don't try to hurt them. You pray for him. And then you got the evil and those are the ones that run the party. They know exactly what they're. They're taking advantage of the eye in the sea. There you go. They know exactly what they're doing. They're they're there. There's Joe Biden said he's a Catholic, but he's both a nine months abortion that bring these illegals over him sleeping on the streets like dogs. Have these people walk thousands of miles to come up and then get them sanctuary in these cities and knowing that they're going to be sleeping in alleyways and then going to super evil people you know that want to do transient operations as children they understanding you saw, Mike, Mike Walsh did that show this video of this woman at Vandabild Hospital saying that if we catch them young, we can make one hundreds of thousand dollars off of them. One hundred thousand dollars for the operation and then a million dollars for the hormones that we have to. Give care that they would need to maintain that. And now that the government is paying for it and insurance is paying for it, we need to get in on this. And it became a money making deal for them. And so they're trying to catch children because this is when they're valuable. See, they ain't gonna transition me into you. They missed they wonder us right right, but when you so, where do you go? Children? Twelve thirteen, fourteen years old. Where their brain has a development it is and and you're going to tell them what the new normal was. Yeah, and they're gonna get they're gonna go, oh, that sounds pretty good. And it turned into a social contagion, okay, And they've happened before. And they say that if the little girls are in a group, if one girl becomes transgender, they said, the whole group turns transgender. And and and these therapists are seeing this in groups of girls coming up saying they're transgender, and they take advantage of it. Well, hell man, this is free money. And so they they first it's the therapy, then it's the drugs, then it's the operation, and then it's it's it's giving them a homeowner in in inside perpetuity. It's the money making scam for these people. This is why I say they're evil. But when you explain to people, and this is something that we didn't do very well, we didn't put in a box. We talk about these things and most people say, oh, that's terrible, Oh that's horrible, Oh that's evil. But we just say the Democrats are doing it. We just let them think it's out there. And it doesn't you don't share the driving exactly. It's like when AIDS came out, we knew people were dying of something, and then doctor Gallo finally found the AIDS virus and he said, that's it. And when they found the virus, we knew how to combat it. They have started. So when you said it's the Democratic Party that's doing this, people said what. So you know, my dad was one of those old Kennedy, you know Democrats. And when I said down and told my daddy about nine month abortion, he said something that's murdered. He said, Dad, that's your party. Now he said, no, it's not. You're not shouted to him. Now. I told him this obamacaret to sex change operations. He said what I explained to him what it was, because he said, a gender affirming care. Okay, But when you said no, that that's castrating a little boy, and he he couln't even wrap his mind around that cutting off the breast of little girls. And then when I explained it to him, and I said, so, you know, if you're voting for these people, that's what you're voting for. Your complicity inness And first time in his life he vote against the Democratic Party. See I can't do it. They left me. I said, Dad, today, you didn't leave them, They left you, and he understood. And that's what I tell people. I had an opportunity to go to the church in Memphis, Tennessee, world overcomers, ten thousand member church, biggest Black church in the South. The minister of the pastor was a guy by named Alton and Williams. Alton, strong, cold conservative. He couldn't preach too much politics in this poor pit, but he preached enough of it for this congregation. Of who he was he wanted you bought me in for Black History Month. And when I went back there to meet with him, I said, okay, after this is your church. What is it that I can't say? He said, for you, nothing me I got to do. But for you, I bought you here. I bought you here to tear it down. Tell him what's going on? I said, all right, can you show me? Said I'm sure. When I told Sean Handy and Tucker I was going, they took back to how long I was gonna be alive? I said, but this is five miles Marticuther King jin't got killed. And I got up there, man, and I did my spill it's on my it's on my channel. I did the speech. I got five standing ovations at the end of it. My dad was there, my brothers and sisters were there, the people. But that was that was almost home to ye. It was because you in school down there, it. Was and why? And I walked up there, and the devil got in my head and he said, Man, you're gonna get up there, you'n make a fool out of yourself. They gonna boo you off that stage. You're gonna be in bashed in front of your your family, your home town. And ain't gonna be nobody gonna be up there to save you. And when I walked up there, I did not know how I was gonna receive by that crown. I had no idea. But when I started talking about my walk with Christ, how you have to choose a side. Are you gonna serve God or man? Are you gonna do what Jesus said when he went up to that that that man that had been sitting by the pool for forty years, And Jesus walked up to him and said, do you want to be made home? People that Jus won't and patted him, Oh, do you want to be made old. No, he looked at it. Probably contempt. You been how long? Forty years? Man? Do you want to be made home? Well? Yes? Then he gave three Come in, rise, take up your bed, and walk right hell wrong with you? He stood up and down. I said, that's salny Kirk confrontation. You a man or not? Where else I am? Why an't you acting like one? Oh man? You cold? Yeah, I'm cold. But you've seen it, haven't you better? Also, you've seen Joe that I got more. Excuse me, no, no, now the crackhead gone to jail about everything about how he can't make it, this and that and the other. And you just said, up, man, you're a man or not in the story and then they say I'm a man? All right? Then I'll help you. And like I said, if you need a good appreciate I take you to one. You need a job, I'll help you find one. If you need to learn to read write, I'll get you into a program to teach you that. Short of that, I'm not gonna live in condemnation for you. You're gonna make me feel bad about something somebody did one hundred and fifty years ago before I was even born gonna tell me because of what to color my skin? Hells out, man. I had to work for everything I got. This is America. Nobody gives you anything. My last name is not Rockefeller or Kennedy. I had to earn it. And if you're willing to work, you'll earn it it now. Short of that, and you've hurted me, say this, if you come try to take anything from me or mine. I got two things that's gonna get you off of me, and that's Jesus and my thirty eight You better not try me. Short of that thought, I'll help you in anything, right. And that's why I love this place here. The people up here are the best people in the world. Man. They say I might be proba, I ain't lazy. Right there, you get pull your car in a ditch, befive go I stopping behind you, pull you out. You know they'll go hunting that you leave us side of meat on your on your porch with a little note for you mass if the harvest is time to go in there guard they leave you some leaving some leaving some corn up there on the just good people, but them hardcore women and men of Jesus, and they hold each other to a standard. And that standards got nothing to do with your money or how big your house is. What type of human man are you? Yeah, what are you contributing? That's it? What type of man? What type of woman are you? And and and that's how you show your worth. See, these are the lessons. We got to go back to, those lessons of when those men fought in the American Revolution and beat the British army. What did they do? Y'all just went back home like it never happened. I did my duty and I went back home. George Washington went back to Mount Running. They all went back home, and they just became Americans. So how so in going to Charlie's funeral and everything else, where do they go from here? Where does America go from losing the states? And like that, Charlie is irreplaceable, But what he did, I mean, you've you've seen this guy's stuff. Charlie was just a whole other level. I've never seen someone that could be firm, fair and honest, yeah, and still care about the person. And feelss Yeah, just go up there in front of thousand people to beside, ask me anything. Charlie walking into the room knowing he was a spot at your hand there. Yeah, and I think that's crazy. I think what people don't realize from what everything that I've seen is is it didn't used to be. I have two hundred people in the background supporting me into two or three outlayers that are coming into like question what I did. It used to be the other way around, and those probably those three or four are probably not going to be really vocal. They might come up to them after the show and say, hey, I appreciate you coming here and me and that person. So yeah, Charlie will go in and what they're doing now turning point, they're putting chapters up in almost every high school and every college, and they're going to be debating societies where children who have been afraid to speak are now going to speak, and they're going to debate these issues, and they're going to debate. And Christians are going to debate other Christians. Now, you know, sometimes people of faith now a lot of things in common, abortion, LGBTQ, things like that. People of faith are going to talk to other people of faith about making sure that they are Faith is the thing that leads them in the political realm. Every part of your life should be led by how you walk with God. Your religion is your foundation, and we've made it a hobby, something that we pick up and do when we want to. And Charlie Kirkle said, no, it's not that. It's not that he challenges men to be men of God. He challenges women to be women of God. And with the feminism craze around, that's a real tough one because if you ask a woman to do something like why you want to men to your husband? What do you mean some men? He said, hold on, now, let's talk about this. It's it's it's uh, it's it's it's. It turns into a fight if you want to talk to a you know, of some church about maybe what what they talk about? A whole lot of women being preachers or or or or ministers in the poor pit. All they want to get mad. I don't care what the Bible says. It's it's it's a pride thing. C. S. Lewis said that our the biggest saying is pride. He said, it is the most damnable of all, said all sin comes from pride. That Satan it was pride and lead him to rebellions God and we have this pride, especially in America, and we talk about it open gay pride, black pride, LGBTQ pride, hispanic I mean proud, and God said, I hate pride inside just liked it. I hate it and and and and and and and it's the it's the opposite of being humble. I ask my dad when I was a boy, you always make sure I said, yes, sir, no hurt to everybody. I said, yes, sir, no cert the people I don't even know, He says, So listen, these people have knowledge and they have access. You can only get their knowledge if you're humble. If you walk up to them and you play football right, the coach calls you, and you like coach knows, go this and out. He knows you're not listening. But you run there. You look at the coach, say yes, sir, yes, look yes sir. He'll say, okay, so I go do it because coach know you're humble. If you go back, U my bad, coach, I'm sorry, what did I do wrong? Right? And the coach sit down and show you, but I ain't doing nothing. You're the coach can go sit down right, But yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am. Nos. It shows you you're humble, that you're ready to receive information. Your pride has been put to the side, but you walk up there with pride. Can't nobody help you? And I understood that, and you and I both know and you man got you understand this. When people come to you and that pride thing, you get all right now, But that's somebody come you off. So I'm sorry, and I you know, I I was, I was driving too fast. Yo ya yoyo. The mean a change is completely against that person. And it's a human element. We have too much pride. And Jesus was the most humble servant that there was. You remember when you watched his disciples feet Peter got an attitude. Oh no, no, no, no, no, you ain't watched my money. He said, Peter, it's always you, it's always you. Right, I have to humble myself. I'm your servant, right, And you said you're gonna have to do the same thing. You got to humble yourself. And that's hard the same for us to do because black people, especially was talling in the civil rights movement to be prideful. This is why I didn't like about it. Jesus said, you change the heart. We want to use the law. We wanted to expedite it by going to Washington as opposed to dealing with our neighbors, dealing with a man on man person the person, and it would have slowly and it would have been organic and it would have been right. Instead, you come down and you have the federal government put a gun to your neighbor's head and then he bows his back, and you never reconcile. And Billy Graham wanted to start a crusader Martin Luther King Jr. As Billy Graham did. Billy Graham would not have a segregated campaign. Everybody's coming. If I hold a meaning, everybody's invited. If I go into a stadium, everybody is invited, and I'm going to proclaim Christ to everyone. And Billy Graham's saved more so that anybody did behind that. Martin Luther King Jr. Never act called people the altar, never told them to profess christis their savior. He went to government and say use the gun on your neighbor. And people want to say that's virtuous, it's not. That's not how we Christians do it. We talk to one another, We give for a banished to one another, We forgive one another, we pray for one another, and at the end of the day, we love one another. And that's what we have to talk about more than anything, loving one another, helping one another, showing the real character of God to our neighbors, like we did at Charlie's you know, Memorial. The whole world saw it and they're gassed at it. And then you know, the liberals, it's like the prayer meeting people fessing Christ and they and they hate black people. That man, you need the black people there, good gracious. Now they equate being black with being lazy and needing govern and being on government programs, and then if you take those away, then you're somehow racist, and they're the real racist because that's not what being black on American is. Yeah, we believe in the social safety now, we believe in that, but it shouldn't be a hammock. We believe we're supposed to enable people and encourage people and say, okay, sir, give them the tools. One of your children. Come back home today. Done hit the wall man and lost. Everything's okay, So come on home, get stepped together. Enough about maybe three or four days. Okay, what's your plan? Locking your wounds and then going back towards right? Dad should have to get back on your feet. But you gotta get you gotta get back on that horse and riding now. And you encourage you and you press him to do it. That's where love comes from. Oh you come home three years lady, laying on your cause and got stat man, you haven't done that boy any good? So I have one more question for you, and I think from my standpoint, we've done a lot of law enforcement on this show. How does law enforcement do a better job communicating with the and read that we service and say we're not here to commit acts of violence against you or anything else, but we will uphold the law. And if you choose violence, we will meet violence. Yes, with violence. There's two things I've seen long enforce to get back very regular at lately. Showing mercy. You catching guys speeding right, let them go? Yes, sir, you know you check his license? Okay, man, you're straight slow down right? Yeah. Showing showing showing mercy because your justice is law terper with mercy, so showing shawan mercy. And two they've gotten much better at when there is a confrontation with the citizen. They don't go to the low level of the citizen. So the citizen citizens starts cutting out the office the officer, the curse back. Okay, you know, count on the groundley making brains up. They started stopping a lot of that. They've been more professional when it confidently, no matter what the citizen does, you pick sir, ma'am, please, lord your tone please. You know, they they've gotten much more professional as opposed to And you've watched cops like me when they're cussing people like, oh, you got it and that's bad. I mean, I admit it. That was that was that was me. Yeah uh And and like I said, you're right, we can do better. Yeah, you you you are professional with the citizen, right because like you, as you've seen when you go to these fast food restaurants, well anywhere, they said, the customer is always right. Boy of that gun's customer. You're raising all kind of sand and the person behind the things says, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes. But at the end of the day, they're gonna make that decision about whether or not they're gonna sell this item to I'm gonna take the item back or whatever. So you got off the control right if you're gonna arrest and you're gonna arrest him, if you're gon put the com cross, so you're gonna taze him, You're gonna do what you're gonna do. So when when when When when law enforcement and and and and I was a congressional officer, When we start showing the same attributes as the people that are the I okay, it's hard. It's hard for the public to distinguished between the between between them. So I've seen law enforcement get much much better at being much more professional and how they handle the citizenry, showing mercy to the citizen ry, allowing you know, some guys, you know, if you catch me, he ain't too drunk, said hey man, I'm gonna follow you home, okay. And because I don't want you to lose your job. I don't want you to go in from the judge. I don't want your name in the paper. I don't want your children knowing about this. And that guy is going to tell you, man, thank you. So I'll end with the story that goes right with that. I was it was probably midway through my career stopped the guy, and he was like, look, I got a wife at home. I'm the sober a winner for this household. Man. If I get it, If I get a DUI I'm not going to survive this. And I was like, all right, well, I said who who do you? Who do you want me to call? And he said, whatever you do, don't call me wife. She's at home with two young kids. Wow, you know I called his wife. About two years later, I was getting my hair cut and the lady cut my hair. She was like, you know a friend of mine, and she said that dude didn't. They ended up being mutual friends, and she said that dude has never drink since then because he didn't lose his job. But I will tell you when when Mama showed up, she did more than any judge would do or anybody else would do. She corrected that behavior. There you go. There it is so. I appreciate it. I appreciate your time. I appreciate everything that you're doing. I didn't realize how involved you were in some of the stuff that Turning Point was doing. And I just think it's amazing having the voice that you've had and having the impact you've had so well. Brother, it's fun. Especially when we won the election last year, we saw that there were benefits behind it, you know, all the work we had done. I was in I was in Fort lot of I was on the stage of candids On and Dave Smith, Pat bat Davids and that was thousands of people there at this thing. And I didn't understand it, but people just supposed to be They wanted to be around each other. They wanted to be able to celebrate together because we anticipated a Trump win and we got there, there were people everywhere I got on the stage. We were supposed to entertain the people while the night was going through. Dude, I was up there for from like nine o'clock to sixty three in the morning, and I had to catch a flight to Kassas City. We were speaking at nine o'clock. It was electric. And when he won, that place where crazy and we all started celebrating and we said, America's not insane that it rejected this crazy, insane policy of the Democratic Party. And then when I checked how did we do in the black community, they said, for the first time, the Democrats did not get ninety percent of the black vote since the eighteen hundred. As matter of fact, this is the most of the black vote the Republican Party has gotten since reconstruction. And I said, Glory, howdylujah. We finally found a way to make the death and we made people like you, people like me, people like Apel shot men, people that are on the podcast and going out there and spending their time telling the truth. We're not waiting for the gatekeepers anymore. We're saying we're going to. Talk taking our message directly to the general public. And it scares the at least to death, don't it, because they can't compete with the truth. Have invested in the what are the called legacy media. There you go, and you know they're going to repeat the same story. Same story, and then they then they hear the truth from us, and we say, no, check this out. You'll find that it's true. And now the people are waking up and it's it's it's like when Gutenberg and then at the printing press right right, everything opened up, And now this is opened up. So now we can all speak in an amazing to old guys like you, me and you gonna have own TV show and asking nobody a permission at all, where back in the day they had to decide. You know, you can't be we don't want, we don't want, we don't want to hear anything got on. They would they would like cut it up so much that. You didn't recognize exactly. And our technology has gotten to a point and they're trying to stop it. Of course they're trying to stop they're trying to shadow band and censoring all this and all that. But but they can't stop it. Man. The truth crash to the ground, will rise again, and we'll tell them the truth. And just like Charlie walked into Oxford, did you see that you? And and the thing is is the humility of I do not have the education that you have and and just admitting that I don't, I don't have it. And I saw the one where he was talking to the young lady and he was he basically said like and his argument and his it was it was him taking his life experience and explain to her like hey, and he did it in such a way where I don't feel like she felt like she was stupid or anything else. It was like it to me, it was it captured what institution of higher learning should be is bring somebody in that you may or may not agree with, but have a civil conversation and then realize the humanity of and each one. Of the like you said that he was an Oxford debating and they were going back and forth, and Oxford is good. They bought they bought Malcolm X there like in the sixties, and they're good at doing this. And I'm glad to see that they did it. And we're glad to see the outside one because when it comes to ideas, our ideas are better, they just. Oh, they're not from this world. That's why. Yeah, exactly, there's a higher power. It's sure, brother, and that's what we adhere to. And our Bible has been the best selling book in the world for the last two thousand years for a reason. All your answers are there, and that was Charlie Kirk's's superpower. He always like boxing, you go back to the jab. Charlam went right back to the Bible every time, and his answer was always there. That's what I do too, I go right back to my Bible. It led me to exactly where I am. And that's how I mean. Charlie converged. I did a book called twenty five Lives, and my agent had me on Charlie's show. Tell you this real quick at Charlie So so I so, I bet I'd heard of Charlie. But Charlie was young. Charlie died young. He was thirty one years old when he died. So this was like maybe three years ago. Charlie was like twenty eight. Look, it's not no dude, for what I'm concerned, right, I was. I'm sixty two now, so I was like maybe fifty nine then. But I'd heard of Charlie and I've seen this stuff, and I knew he had a show. And I said, but I'd done Hannity and Tucker and all these big shows, so I'm but doing Charlie was all right. So anyway, yeah, and you know how it is when you do one of these interviews, I'm kind of spits screen and before you do the interview, you're kind of waiting for the guy to show up. So I'm there early, and I'm sitting there and Charlie comes, says in his show. He sits down and I see him and he says, oh, hey, Vince, how you doing. I'm signed him some fun with him. Hey, that's how you doing? This is what you called me? Boy? He said, sir, I said, you called me. That's how old are you? He says, I'm twenty eight. I said, when I'm fifty nine. Well you called me miss Allison. He said, I'm sorry, Miss Selson. I'm sorry, and I just started laughing. I said, I'm just messing with you. To come on, dude, was kidding, Like, what have I done? I g from her and we had the interview man and we became fast friends. Afterward, Charlie and I nerd it out on John Locke. We didn't, you know people most men nerd out on beer and watching football. We talked about John John Locke after for an hour. You know, the second Treaties of government, that your rights come from God. They're unavailable, They're irrevocable, non transferable, unsellable. And we just talked about that and we just and after that we became fast friends. I started speaking for tp USA because Charlie saw that we were right here. We came together baseball on our Bible, our beliefs as men. We believe there was no flaw in the Bible, and that all your answers are there, and that if ever you had a question, that's where you went, and that's where we are all our answers from. And we became fast friends, and we gotta be kind of bonded. On that man. This has been a great experience for me, and I hope to catch it at some point, but you got a really big head start, So thanks a lot for coming on. You ain't gonna just catch me, You're gonna pass it. I don't know that, all right, Thanks a lo
