Have Connor on today. Uh, we're kind of going to go into a dark, dark part of our society. And I know you've done a lot of research on the Epstein Files. And the dark part being Epstein files. Yeah, not you being here, the dark part of being the Epstein Files. But like, from my standpoint, I think one of the biggest problems in this whole situation is, you know, we've talked about with the release of the files, there's all this momentum, but I think it's almost like momentum that is not going anywhere. You know. It's it's almost like, how about how a lot of activity but no movement towards some kind of conclusion for victims and things like that. Yeah, it seems to me as a moment in US history, if we want to put it that way, where there's a there's a general sense on like this is not a left v Right conversation anymore. This this one, I think, is one where you and I pretty much fall on the exact same viewpoints for the most part of what's going on here, and the problems with it being it essentially does feel like we have all this stuff and we're just spinning our tires with nothing going on, because you know, everyone and myself included, you know, I've been vocal about, you know, demanding you know, we have this information. It needs to be out there. We need to do something. But it's more than just the information. It's what is the timeline associated with it, what has been said and not said? And then why is nothing happening? Why are we seeing other countries, you know, arrest people or kick people out of royalty positions, or we're seeing people resign and there's nothing happening in the country where most of this took place. Well, you definitely, I think there's a lot of places that we're in inside of our country. But you have a US citizen in Jeffrey Epstein and some of the other people and prominent people, right And I think I think that's the biggest issue, and that's I'd like to spend a lot of time talking about, like just walking through like the investigation and just all the things that happened. But what it appears to a person in law enforcement is you have a lot of information, you have some very strong allegations. He obviously spent time in prison, Jeffrey Epstein did for doing some really bad things to children, and it doesn't seem like anybody has an appetite for anything but gotcha moments of like hey, this person's name in there. This you know, it's one thing to communicate. Yeah, yeah, it's from my standpoint, like you look at it and you think it makes sense. I understand people's desire to have like this salacious information about like oh I heard Bill Clinton was there, I heard he flew on it. And I feel like there is so much time spent on Bill Clinton was on the plane, Donald Trump was on the plane, this person was on the plane. They went to the eye on this many times. But like, you have actual victims out there who I would say would probably be willing to provide information, and certainly if you were able to issue some kind of process like grand jury subpoena, have them come in and testify as to what they know. Well, and that's something you know importantly, you don't even have to think. I can tell you for certain that multiple victims have come forward and said we want to talk, we would let we have reached out to the FBI offering to come in at any time, and there's been no follow up, according according to them, into these situations and what makes it so, I think difficult right now. And what kind of makes it divisive to a degree is the prominence in which our current president plays in the relationship. We know they had a friendship, we know they were associated in the eighties and nineties, we know they had a falling out. Like all this stuff is that, it is what it is, like, it's known, but it gets murky because some of the timelines don't quite add up some stuff. You know, you look at a Howard Ludnik, the I think Commerce secretary or Transportation secretary. He's a cabinet member who said, oh, I haven't I didn't see or you know, hang out with Jeffrey Epstein after two thousand and four or two thousand and nine, something like that, and then twenty fourteen him and his family met up with Jeffrey Epstein for lunch. And in the grand scheme of things, if they were just happened to me like it was on the Caribbean island or whatever, if I remember correctly, and it's an inconsequential thing, or it should be an inconsequential thing. Of yes, I came across someone that I knew from a past life and we grabbed a bite to eat, because we're in the same place shouldn't be a big deal. But the fact that he's Lutnick is sitting here like adamantly saying I never saw him again, it just falls into this quagmire of another lie, another cat cover up, another It becomes more than it probably would have been because there's just been so much attention drawn on these There's been so much sleight of hand attempted. You know, if you look at and I can go into it, the the overall timeline of just the last you know, year and a half or so, that this has been a prominent aspect of almost daily news and social media coverage, that there's a lot of stuff where it seems it comes to me like either manipulation or sleight of hand or trying to I don't know, like it reminds me of, you know, being a kid trying to tell your parents enough of what they want to hear to kind of say yeah, it happened, but not fully get all the way in trouble for doing something. So if you want, I can do a quick rundown of. The well, I think, yeah, let's let's go through the timeframe. But I think, again, what's missed. I think what is missed in this is that again, and I feel like everybody, I watched a lot of different documentaries and things like that, and what it was more about is the who's who that are associated with I've seen. I don't hear anybody talking about we have over this number of victims that we've identified, and we have exhausted all investigative materials in relation to this case. Because one of the things that I saw as far as an investigation is and I don't know the legal ramifications, but they were saying, like a lot of the people there were statements made by staff on the island and at residences and on the plane and everything else that they were like, we saw teenage children, teenage girls getting on an aircraft dressed what they felt like was more like somebody that was in the sex industry. Provocatively any and for age. Yes, And they said that they they thought like, there's something wrong here. The problem is is one of the people that that did the documentary said, the problem is they all have NDAs nondisclosure agreements, and it would put them in jeopardy if they said something. And so that's what I struggle with more than anything is. Well, and you might just real quick to jump in. Do you know to what degree NDAs hold after the passing of like Soir Jeffrey Epstein. Has been I think that I don't. I think does the NDA still hold It would because it's that individual, because well what it was is he probably did it through his corporations. However, I do feel like my limited understanding of civil law and everything else, and like there are a lot of people that know well that most of the population knows more. We are not lawyers, so we're not I am of no importance. Right so, but like from my standpoint, I feel like there, if there isn't, there should be some kind of way to conduct a criminal investigation in spite of the NDA's But talk a little bit about what you've heard about the victims and their willingness to come forward and make statements and how what have you heard? Yeah, So, most prominently there was a hearing with Attorney General Pam BONDI I want to say back maybe January February, I think it was about January in which they were at the Congressional Committee was grilling her on why aren't these files, why haven't all the files been released, you had dates, you had, you know, timelines that you were supposed to provide us with stuff, and you haven't. Some stuff had come out by the just a congressional inquiry. But what is important is that at that congressional inquiry, victims of Jeffrey Epstein were invited to attend, and at one point in towards the end of the hearing, there's this genuinely just I think it's going to be in history books down the road, this photo of Pambondy just sort of you know, if she's sitting at this desk like looking down to the side, and just behind her is probably about a dozen victims because they were asked to stand up and were asked a couple questions, and it's this really poignant photo of someone just not even you know, our attorney general just not even acknowledging that these people are in the room. But in that instance, it was I want to say, about a dozen maybe maybe more victims who were asked, like, you know, have you said you would provide testimony? And they all essentially said yes. It's has the FBI reached out to you to get your you know, to interview. You about what happened? No. None of them said they had. Have you reached out to the FBI to say you'd be willing to you know, testify or provide information? All of them said yes. And how many? So how many did you what would be your estimation on how many victims you had that were willing to talk. In that room? It was a dozen at least. Outside of it, talking about one or two people. No, no, no, no. And I was about to say even more than that. There was a kind of like a victim's rally that same day outside the courthouse, and I want to say that was dozens, if not you know, one hundred, it's estimated. I want to say that over the course of Epstein's tenure, doing the awful, awful things that he did, it's probably thousands of people that were either victims aware of present for you know, know something right, And so the the the unfortunate answer to the question is, I don't think we actually know how many victims are really out there, how many are willing to testify, how many have just moved on with their life thinking it's you know, just bury it and pretending, you know, trying just not think about it. And unfortunately, how many maybe aren't with us anymore because of the actions that have happened. And so I know at least what we've seen over the last few months is dozens, if not hundreds of people have kind of come forward and said, hey, I was around, I was a victim, I was in some way present, and I would like to talk about it, And it doesn't seem like there's been much reaching out from the DOJ or FBI or anyone to get those statements. And now I will add a caveat right there, of we don't know what closed door investigations might currently be happening. We can't with one hundred percent certainty say that there isn't something in the works. But from there are too many people, in my opinion, saying I was there and no one's willing to talk to me about it to say that there is, because you would think that in any of these cases, you would want people to come forward with what they experienced and what they saw if they're willing to talk about it. So what I so, what I think about is I think about a lack of commitment of to push resources to address these victims. And I think it's both sides. I think I don't I don't think it doesn't appear that either side has the desire to use the Epstein files for anything other than political canon fodder for each other. I do short answer, yes, I think this is one of the situations where, generally speaking from just the average the US and means I don't think it's a left or right thing anymore. I don't think this is a case that is truly Yes, there's obviously the because of the ties to our current president and other known figures, there will there will absolutely be a political aspect to this. You know, it would be ridiculously damning if it came to pass and came to be proven that our sitting president was involved directly in this. But I think that the important thing is it's when people talk about it, and myself included, I'm just as guilty of this is you get to the Trump part of things and sort of zero in on that because of the nature of who he is. But the important thing is you're right that it's not There seems to have been a shortcoming across the board of active investigation. You know, he got arrested and charged and then ended up committing suicide allegedly in prison, and that sort of seemed like the end of it for a second, but there's still a. Lot that way for a second, because let me get if you're understanding is the same as mine, and like not neither one of us are saying we're subject matter experts. We're just taking open source information of people that have deep dived into that. And the thing that I've seen in that deep dive is the real question is first and foremost, which I thought was interesting in watching it, is that he had attempted suicide before while he was incarcerated. Okay, they made they so it's not like it's not like, oh my goodness, like I can't believe this dude would kill himself, because like he had already tried to kill himself. So you know that you can take that either way you want to take it. You can go, Okay, there is this mass conspiracy, or it's just like, hey, somebody who's committed to do something and they finally got it done. One of the things that I think was interesting that I saw was that the Department of Justice and the FBI had set down with Epstein's attorneys just prior to his suicide, and he had made the decision. According to his attorneys to the FBI and the DJ that he was going to cooperate and he was pretty much going to produce the receipts on the people that were involved in what was going on. And so it's is that you're understanding for the most part. Yeah, okay, Well tell me you're like. No, I mean, that's that's pretty much where I'm at with it. Okay. I didn't know if there was any like caveat that you'd like add to it. So we're both in agreement that it appeared. Number one fact is while he was incarcerated in the Metric I think it's the Metropolitan. Yeah, he had tried to kill himself before there. They had put they had they had put two things in place to keep him from that situation. One was to assign him a roommate and then the enhanced checks, and both of those were removed, which obviously feeds into the conspiracy theory, like you got cameras down and everything else. But at the end of the day, what we do know is that it appears that Jeffrey Epstein, before his death, had decided he was going to provide information about his network and his criminal activity. Yeah, that was my understanding okay, And I think that the to play the the why it gets so impassioned or why it's becoming just full blown conspiracy theory territory is this aspect of there seems to be an unwillingness or an almost just I don't even know what to call it, but this ability to just not really get like the people who talk about it, especially the people in this administration, to not really get out of their own way, or to create situations that cause more doubt then provide clear answers, and then when they do try and provide that answer later, well now it's is it this or is it this because you've said too so like with the with the. His his suicide. In prison, Initially again Agpambondi came out as like, oh no, it's a it happened like but nothing weird happened, nothing happened at all, everything's fine, and then very quickly after that it's like, oh, well, there are three minutes missing from this video. And then she came out again it's like, oh, we found it. But anyone who looks at the time stamp saw that it was like a minute and a half. It wasn't the full time and so it's these moments where, quite frankly, like nothing could happened. He very he could have just killed himself. That could have been as simple as that. But the fact that there are all these question marks and the fact that it seemed like to me, to me, it comes across like what you always see in like uh dramas and TV shows where like one significant other catches the other one cheating. It's like, oh, well, she's just a friend. Oh well, we only texted one And it's like pulling teeth to get the actual story. And when you get to it, it ruins all credibility of that story because of the trail it took you to get there. And I think that's where so much of the like animosity, confusion, anger, whatever right now happens is that it just like every step along the way, it seems like we've been trying to be like bait and switched or or something else. But to go back to your point, yes, like it does seem like that where Epstein was at when at the end of everything, which draws into that sort of conspiracy theory, like if he was willing to name names and everything, you lay it all on the table, it would make sense that if there are that powerful of people involved that maybe, you know, fueling the conspiracy. Maybe something did happen. Right, or maybe he came to the realization of like, uh, I would rather go out of this world than to have put my family or people that I care about in harm's way. I mean, I I think, I think the thing that I look at with this administration, and obviously I am on the right side, not like the correct I'm saying the right side. I know we discussed that before is yours is called left in mind, it's called right, and so we'll just decide who's right. Ye. In all honesty, I think one of the things about this administration is because he has chosen people that don't have the same level of experience and dealing with the media and stuff like that. I think about the FBI director seems like he's got his heart's in the right place, but he has got ahead and he's got way over his skis on a couple of things, like announcing things like hey, we have the right person in custody and then it's like, no, they're just a person of interest, and that does feed the conspiracy theories. And these one too that has through all of this has muddied the waters right, and I think he's been. A congressional hearing saying there's no We've looked through him. I've looked through all of them, and there's no one left to warrant further investigation. Fast forward. So this is one of the things that I've learned from life experiences. I remember I was a young deputy and we had a fatal crash, and obviously and there were the people involved were younger, and family members were coming to the scene, and I made the mistake, and the heat of everything, I wanted to give that family some type of closure. I was depending on somebody to tell me the correct information, but they didn't, and in my haste to try to give them some sort of closure, I gave the wrong notification to the wrong family member. And as a result of that, like I never after that got so far ahead, Like I would, I would look at what I had in front of me, and I wanted to make one It wasn't just like hey, a tattoo matches or anything else. It was like, with one hundred percent certainty, I can say the person that was that is deceased is this person, And I think there are a lot of people that haven't had that experience, and I think it's easy for it's easy for people to look at it and go, I want the information now, and like there is a desire I think to be like, especially when you have information. Obviously that was not information that I wanted to push out, but like I do understand in this type of situation where things can go spending so fast as it's like, oh my gosh, you've got presidents, you've got royalty, you've got this, you've got that, and you want to be able to be the one to break that information. And sometimes like slowing down and making sure your information is correct does wonders for the conspiracy theories and everything else. And so I like I just wish, like for me if I was in this, like if and Lord knows, nobody wants me in charge, but if I were in charge, what I would ask is I would say, we need to slow down, and we need to focus on what's important. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat. We have children. We have children who were molested and treated in a way that no child should ever be treated. They are a victim. I don't care if they're thirty, forty, fifty years old. They're a victim and they should be treated as such. And there should be Yeah, they do, and with one certainty, that is a generational thing. And if that, if they don't get job, it's just going to go from one generation to the other. And I think that's what I do not hear nearly enough on either side of we as a institution, whether it be Congress, whether it be the Senate, any of them, the administration, they need to clearly say we understand that this dude is a bad dude. He was a bad dude. He has victimized a lot of children. And we don't care if they're adults now or not. We are going they are owed some measure of our commitment. I don't care, like whose feelings we hurt. I don't care if it comes down and it splits everybody in half when it comes to well the Republicans, like if you want to keep scoring, like okay, there were twenty Republicans that were involved in nineteen Democrats. I don't care. All I care in my opinion, and it's overseen, overlooked by everybody right now, my opinion and everything I looked at nobody spent any time talking about the victims. Correct, no, and I. Yeah, they get in there, they get in these they get in these modes of like, well, the Epstein files said this, it's only it's like watching a soaproper. And what is forgotten in this is these people have Like I want, I want people to think, when you have a child, the innocence of a child that was taken from them from some horrible people, and we're going to just ignore that at this point and try to like one up each other, use it as cannon fodder against each other, like Republican Democrat, Like I wish everybody would pump the brakes and say, we have victims. We need to make this right. Well, because I think it's a stain on us as a country and who we are, because I know you and I have talked about that, and you I talk about that a little bit with Europe, Like you have people going to jail based on these files, and we're sitting around pointing fingers and turn this into a damn soap opera when the reality is we have a crime. We have numerous crimes that have been committed. I don't care who committed them. They are still responsible to what is right or wrong. And I think that that's what's so difficult about this country and about and I will fully say, you know, people can go scroll through my Facebook and I'm just as guilty as the next person of strong opinions about the current administration and how things have been handled with Epstein files, because there is this innate or not innate, but this just ingrained correlation between this administration and this gentleman, not even a gentleman. He doesn't deserve that. This dude, Jeffrey Epstein, And because of that, we do get bogged down. He's a monster. He was a monster. Yes, I mean, you can call it whatever you want, but if you look at an innocent child and what he put those innocent children through, he's a freaking monster. He's more scary than anything you could possibly put in front of her. He will go down as the most prolific, awful human being probably in US history, or at least modern US history. And but what's what's so difficult about is you do you look so for instance, you look at the United Kingdom, Prince Andrew had his royal status revoked. I believe he was arrested and at least like detained or questioned, not too he's since been released. But that's the brother of Prince Charles, I believe, like done, he's he's pretty much, you know, as as much as a Royal Royalty member can be. Like he's done. The former PM, Prime minister of Finland or Denmark or somewhere, and I forget exactly where again, arrested under investigation. You've seen. Very prominent European names, either former prime ministers I think one was the former representative for NATO, I believe, but a handful of not small people, big name people that are facing repercussions, not because they participated in anything, not because it's been found that they participated in any direct action against kids, right, but just because they were known, accomplished or associates with Epstein. There has not been any proof, as definitive proof, that you know, Prince Andrew did anything with a kid. It's pretty well assumed based on the relationship, but there's been no definitive proof. But because he was as close as he was, because it was as questionable as it was, because it was as linked, they said, we're not that's enough for us, and so what's so hard, right, you know with me looking at the US, is there's really been nothing. There's this this aversion to saying, hey, yeah, this person is named X amount of times, maybe we should at least investigate it. And I think where it becomes very difficult to have the conversation and to separate the conversation within the US is that one of those names is Donald Trump, and it is factually known that they had a relationship. But where it becomes so difficult is because of his political style. And as you know, I'm not the biggest fan of it. People You've heard stories, people assume it becomes a left right politically. Oh, you're just going after him because I'm some liberal, you know, leftist lunatic. It's like, no, I am, you can call me that whatever. But the fact of the matter is, like it warrants an investigation. It's this, to me, weird perfect storm of you have a president who has policies that are upsetting parts of the country. You have a president who his former life, I personally just don't like him as a human being. I think he's made enough comments in his past that I'm like, not my cup of tea. And then there's this, but because of it, it's being spun in this way of oh, well, you're going going after him to get him kicked out of the Priest's like, no, I'm going after him. I want to see a subpoena because he's referenced in these files tens of thousands of times I said, I say the exact same thing for Bill Clinton. There are pictures of him there and he's referenced. He got subpoena. He came in and testified. Hillary Clinton got subpoena. It came in and testified. So you're seeing to me, it is not a left right political it's I don't care who you are, if your name is in those files, I want you to be subpoena in. But I think if we stay on that course, we're going to be the exact same place four years from now. To me, what we have to do is, I feel like, as a general public have to stand up and go our kids aren't for sale. You do not get to choose the value of our children. These are our children. And as a result of that, these children belong to someone, and these kids are important. And because they're important as a country and as a group of people that vote. We need to come in there and say stop all the bullshit and stop talking about I heard this person was this, I heard this person with this and say, we have over a hundred victims identified, we are conducting an investigation. We have one hundred investigations opened. And that's where That's what I mean when I say it gets so quickly tied to oh, you just want to impeach him or get him out. It's like with the president. It's to your exact point, I agree completely with it's not about the perpetrator. It's about the victim. It's about justice for the victim. It's about all of this. But when, unfortunately, when you look at some of these names that have come forward who are trying to tell their story and that damn well deserve justice. Because our president's name pops up periodically and with some regularity in these narratives, well now it's a oh the left is just trying to take down Trump, and you lose sight of the justice. For the victim. And I do think that. Media myself whoever failed to focus enough on know this is for justice. This isn't about getting uh. And an example I give is is, if you want to have a confrontation, have a righteous confrontation. Don't ask about the don't ask about the files, because I understand like you and I talked about that. President Trump was asked about the f Fstein files and he got mad and started talking about, like why do y'all keep asking about him. Let's start mentioning the victims. Let's let's get a group of victims to come in there and say I want justice. And from understanding, they've tried to. But it's not a try to. But I'm saying, like, why can't we say the like, let's stop the talking points, Like let's like Fox News, don't don't. Let's not talk about what the Clintons did, the liberal media, Let's not talk about what Donald Trump did. Let's listen to the victims and hear them out about what went on. The files are one thing, the heart. The hard thing is you can't you can't break that link because the two are linked. When you say you can't break that length because like. What I mean is if you asked the victims to So for instance, one of the files that came out that caught some attention, it was an FBI tip. It's been unverified, but It was a story of a young woman who was trafficked by Epstein and her uncle, who ended up getting pregnant. The uncle didn't yeap. The uncle is kidd no, the the young lady did. She had the baby, and while they were on a yacht in Lake Michigan, the uncle got rid of the baby. You can infer what that was. But but what is mentioned in this and that's an awful situation. That's Epstein, that's this woman's uncle. But what was also reference was that our president was Donald Trump was present at the time that all of that part happened. Now, again, this is just an FBI tip. It has not been vetted or verified to the full extent of an investigation. But what I mean is if people are coming forward to tell their story and it inevitably involves a president, a lawyer, lud Nick, the Commerce secretary, these other people that are prominent, especially if they're prominent current Republicans or Democrats, when you look at you know, Bill Clinton or whoever, it then immediately gets derailed into a left v right and people step away from the victims conversation as much. And what I'm saying is we need to focus on the victims conversation, but the two will forever be linked because of the people involved. But I think the problem is is that we are all we are doing is stirring the pot. Well Donald Trump was there, yep. You know what My question isn't an investigator is what's the uncle's name. Let's start looking at records and let's conduct a proper investigation. It doesn't matter where it goes like unverified tip, it needs to be cleared. Because one of the things that I thought is I went through all this is how clear cut, like the investigation was on the Guthrie Nancy Guthrie small. I didn't followed that one that much. But anyway, she disappeared right and she still they haven't found her, but like it was very clear is where is she? You know, like it wasn't It wasn't like there are theories and there are things that were entered that people gravitated to, but the question didn't change, if that makes sense. And I think in this we are focused as a as and I think as a society is like the sensational like, oh my gosh, he's mentioned this many times. He's mentioned this many times, and we forget like let's do a because you and I talked about it the other night. Is we had commissions for when John F. Kennedy like to look at it like that, like when he was assassinated, the warrant commission went into that. Do we not think that this situation doesn't warrant a commission because I don't know. I don't know if any other crime or a person that is involved like alleged criminal activity that they have not that you have had this many. Victims well, and that I think is they And it's impacted our whole political because I feel like as the person that's in the ninety nine percent, not the one percent, that appears to be able to do whatever they want to do, to include to our children, what. I see is I see like all this confusion of like, well, it's this or it's that, and it and you lose sight of the fact of like, no, this is a really, really bad situation and it deserves the attention, the clear, concisive attention of people whose only task is let's go out and find our victims. If we can figure out who you're if we can do all these different things, identify our victims and give them. The names, are there the names are in these documents. There was the incident where some some you know, Epstein files were released and victims' names weren't redacted, and so it caused a whole thing. They were, you know, fully nude pictures of these victims released to the public because the dj didn't do their job properly. Which that's a whole nother part of this conversation. But I think the thing to your points one hundred percent, you know, a bipartisan congressional commission in joint unit, in joint efforts with the DOJ to investigate because you can just approach it. We have the names, let's get the stories. I mean, I would take it a step further just so it doesn't become political. I think you have a commission like we we discussed. There's no way for it to not end up but in some way political. But this is how it is. I think you simplify it, and you simplify it by saying, Okay, we got somebody from the right, somebody from the left, and then we have to which obviously Congress doesn't do a great job of grint on anything, but the majority of people have to support the neutral person. You know, that's not right or left. So like they come up with make it a small commission, but they look at each individual victim and after they with their investigators. No ties to DOJ or anybody else in the government, because I feel like that's an independent It's almost like the what is it, the Office of Inspector General. You know, they operate independent, they investigate things within the government. I don't think you directed. I don't think you direct it and say okay, we're going to I think what you do is you have this commission and you give them, Okay, here are the names. We're going to send investigators out for these one hundred claims or however many claims, and at the end of the investigation find out who they're going to report back to. There's going to be no leaking of like names or anything else. It's going to be clearly like this is the allegation, and it's not like the allegation of like heard such and such was there, or I heard this person was there? No, what happened like what you said, like who's your uncle, what's your uncle's name, where does he live? Let's look at the records, what year did this happen? Do a clean investigation and at the end of it then make a referral to the FBI saying, based on the information that we have, we believe it falls under this code. Here are the date ranges for the prosecution of it, and refer to the Department of Justice and the FBI. Yeah, and you know, I think in an ideal world that that would be exactly how it would go down. Where I say that you will never avoid it becoming political is in the situation if you go. You know, former administration lawyers are the ones that made a deal with Jeffrey Epstein in two thousand and nine that gave him a criminal sentence, but he got to leave jail every single day to go to work like there were these they call him sweetheart deals of In no way should that have been legally allowed, but it was for whatever reason. You have. Todd Blanche, the current Deputy ag who approved and interviewed approved moving Julie Maxwell from her prison to wherever she's at in Texas, which is a prison that, based on its security level, to my understanding, does not qualify to have sex offend children child sex offenders at it. But she's there. He went and interviewed her. We don't know what that like. We've got parts of that interview allegedly, you know, she said X, Y or Z. But you look at these these aspects of things, and I think to your point of not involving DJ. Where Todd Blanche is and I'm not saying I'm not. But I think you kind of have to do that because there are too many, I think too many connections. Right, because I think what we have learned on both sides. Your side is weaponized Department of Justice, my side is weapons as there's like you can bullshit and say like that doesn't happen, but we can go through the examples, you know, one after the other and just turns into a debate and it's but both you would you would say the left is weaponized DJ, and this administration and Republicans have weaponized it as well. For arguments sake. Yeah, But I mean I disagree slightly, just on on the term of weaponization, only because I see aspects of and not just with the left. I'm saying most I'm saying both sides have have used the criminal justice system to settle scores. Sure politically, yeah, okay, And so when I say weaponized, I'm saying because I think from our what we discussed with the whole Hillary investigation with Komy, I think based on what the general public knows, it would appear that like he's submarine to everybody, he's submarine. You know, he's submarine Hillary by saying like, I feel like he came out and goes and said, she did this, this, and this, which are which are criminal violations, but we're not going to charge her, okay, So like to me, like he gave her, he gave her a path. But then I think he had a little bit of a regret. In my opinion is he was like, man, I probably shouldn't have done that. So then when he gets another referral, he announces that she's under investigation. Well, I think that when you you know, looking at it in the scale of an investigation and with the Independent Commission all that, when it comes to like the Epstein files and whatnot, where I think we're also seeing a lot of drug feet in pursuing this is because it's people in a position. Of power that would have to kind of approve this thing. And I don't just mean our PRIs I mean generally speaking, you know, the elites, so to speak, whether they be financially invested or politically invested. It's their people and that's what political and they are all people that have money. So the top one percent that dictate what goes on, what we talk about, and everything else are associated and saying I will make this statement that the upper one percent, they're a lot more like there are a ton of them that are in the Epstein files. There's not. I don't see a lot of nine nine percent in the Epstein files. Well, and that's. Because I mean, have you heard anybody that they've come out and they're like, hey, he like. He Fred Smith from Idaho with him No, no, no, But but that's what I mean is where you have enough power that even if they didn't do anything with kids, but we're just a business associate or whoever this, you know, worry terror almost of what might come up in discovery. Like let's say you know, you're not he's a good guy, We're fine, but let's say you're just a business guy. And you had to meet Jeffrey at his island on June thirteenth for because that was the only time you could meet. And on June twelfth and fourteenth, it was found out that through interviews with the victims. Something happened. Well, now it's what you were there right in the middle of that. So I think that there's I think that. There's power, But I think what I think. There's a fear of people in power of even though I know I didn't do anything because I was there or because I was around the same time, of something that might come out, there's a fear that it will repercussion onto them and because of the quickness, and. It should because one of the things I think in the criminal justice system is this is. Sexually based offensive. I consider particularly. No no, no, I'm saying in criminal investigation, it is what the average person would believe to be true. So for example, if I drive you to a bank, right, I don't have to go into you didn't tell me you're going to rob the bank, right, But I see you put a mask on and grab a gun and then you come back with a bag of money, and I don't report it. I am responsible for the crime that you committed. Well, and that's so those same people that went to that isisle, Like if everybody else is looking around and going and this this doesn't look right. Yeah, yeah, I think that's the problem. The other end of it, it is it is I should have known better, and nobody wants to. The hard part with it, though, because I will, as objectively as I can, recognize that there are situations that we cannot necessarily be aware of right now, in the sense of it's not just the island, because he had his house in New Mexico, he had his apartment in Manhattan, the ranch in New Mexico, the the the house in Manhattan, which also, I'm sad you didn't catch my Law and Order SVU reference a second ago. My wife likes that show. I don't want to fair enough. But anyway, so there's this thing of again, like if I'm a businessman in New York and I swing by Jeffrey Epstein's apartment in Manhattan at four o'clock for a quick meeting while I'm on my way out of town, and at eight o'clock that night he's having some a list it conversation. But you see that I logged into the hotel. I think that there's this innate fear of people in power who genuinely may not have known what like it was a one time business deal that they happen to pop through, but they know that they're there and they know what he did, and because they have money in power, they're able to sit there and say, hey, even though I know I didn't do anything, I don't want to be pulled down in this. And so they're pushing to delay or inhibit investigations or the push for an investigation. I may or I think I like. I think there's a reason why we haven't seen a commission come out, knowing what we know now. I think there's a reason is. Because everybody, it's like everything else that happens in the world, is because everybody is so amused and drawn to like, oh, he's a pervert, he's a pervert, he's oh, and it's like we're keeping score. Well it's twelve Republicans to eleven Democrats, and you know, And I think that's the problem, is that they're keeping us busy with all this information and it's all smoking mirrors, and it loses sight of to me, what is the most important fact, which is we have a monster who trafficked children for sex. That's it. And so if you start there, I don't. It doesn't matter in my For me, it doesn't matter who gets pulled into it. The fact is you have a monster who did this. And that's like what you said about the other countries is they like we sit here and call ourselves a Christian nation and that in Europe is like they're pagans, but they're holding people accountable and so like, where are like, from my stand point, where are the religious leaders and the people that are like children? Like what what did Jesus say suffer the little children to come to meet? Right? Getting ready to be Easter? Where are the religious leaders saying we do not stand for children being victims of crime? I don't I don't care what this person brings to the table, what this person brings to the table, how much more money they donate, or anything else. Right is right? Wrong is wrong? And we had a monster that traffic children. Why don't we have more people stepping up and saying stop with a talk. It's not a Republican or a Democrat issue. It is we have children who have been victimized and we need to address this. This is a large scale human trafficking investigation that has When did he die seventeen or eighteen? Or is it nineteen? Yep, it's one of those three. Yeah, it's okay. I think it's actually so yeah. So like from my standpoint, I feel like there should be a from from the right side, from my side, from the religious leaders and people that have this concern and file. The ways of Christ nineteen arrested and died that same year. But where are those people that are that should stand up and say a monster victimized kids. And we do not believe like we wanna. We want to. We want to say stuff about what other countries are doing to children, how there's famines and all these different things. But like in our own country, we are the only country that has not held a group of people who victimize kids, a large scale human trafficking where we haven't even like investigated it. For now, the two the two main people have been arrested. One's dead, ones in the minimum minimalist of minimum security prisons. Still trying to get a pardon deal or something. But but I think that's that's exactly the overwhelming frustration at the root of so much of it is we have victims that deserve and require justice, and we have done no accountability whatso none. Well we've called one major name before uh, well, I guess two major names before Congress to subpoena them to. Get sure already knew before they got there they weren't sleeping together. But it's that it's that aspect of like, great, we did one still nothing. But that was but we're doing so little. Like again, I don't care Trump, not Trump, Nick not Nick, Clinton, not Clinton, do something like start pushing some accountability. Here's what I want people like, this is where my brain goes. Jeffuary Epstein was not the one that molested those kids. He wasn't the only one. Yeah, there are a bunch of people that molested those kids, and they're still walking the streets. And if we don't break it, it's it's it's happening now. And I know that it does get bogged down because it's our president and everything. It gets bogged down in that. And I know that I fall on the side of there's enough accusations to warrant questions. There's enough. But that's the best for for for the political system and the one percent. That's the best possible scenario is get locked in on one person and investigate them. Let's just ignore the organization and all the people that molested these kids. Let's just ignore. That, and let's let's find a let's find a trophy, yeah, instead of like, let's actually get out there and deal with the problem. And it needs to be at the at the end of it, not just the not just one, but all of them. No, it should it should be. This is the case. And what I would like to see at the end of the commission is we made a referral based on the information we have there is or is not here. Here are twelve name you know, Fred, Bob, Joe, Tim Yeah, whatever. John Doe, Jane Doe, Jane Doe. One. We investigated her claim and based on that, we've identified three potential suspects. For That's what I mean. It's like, here's a list of people that we feel there's credible evidence to further to go into investigation on their. Because I think that's what bothers him in the most. And all the stuff that I watched is nobody is talking about a criminal investigation. Correct. Yeah, they're talking about his conviction in two thousand. And eight, right, uh yeah, two thousand and eight, and. They're talking yeah, and they're talking about that conviction and the amount of time spent in jail and then his additional charge. Funny story not ha ha, but like this is neat. You know who broke the story that had them actually investigate them, which time the nineteen why you got charge? Miami Herald, a newspaper. Yeah, they wrote a story about what went on and they popped them with the church. Well, so in two thou that in twenty sixteen, I want to say it was brought to light of a nineteen ninety six allegation against Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, but Jeffrey Epstein by this lady who used the She used a pseudonym because she was afraid Katie Johnson, that there was a under oath was affidavit or whatever signed where she testified to actions deposition that at thirteen she was at And this is why I brought up the Manhattan apartment that at thirteen years old she was with Jeffrey Epstein and other people at his apartment multiple times being abused. She swore under oath that this happened. Later, her lawyer came out, the charge or allegation ended up down the road being withdrawn because her lawyer came out and said, she's facing she's scared, she's facing threats to withdraw this. That woman also ended up taking her own life shortly thereafter, and so you have these situations. Kind of going back to your people, you know my theory on why people are afraid, but also your point of the people that are involved have power to intimidate and to strike fear in this, and I think that where the opportunity now sits is you have have these dozens, if not hundreds of people, their strength and unity and so bringing allowing all of these people to come forward and protect them. There there's it's it's always hard to be the first one through the door, but it opens that door for everyone else to come forward. And you look at people who have who have done that, and people have stepped up, and you want to hope that for them they get justice, for the next person they get justice, and for the person down the road that this never has to happen to And and so no to your to your to your point. I do think it's it's. As hard as it would be and as much as I know it's it's easier said than done. It's end of the day. It's it is not we have a criminal justice system, we have a political system. The is ali set up for this. It's just do the powers that be, or in what I believe will probably be the case, or does the general public stand up and say, we won't stand for this anymore. Stop distracting and deal with the root of the problem. And the root of the problem is a monster traffic kids and they were molested by numerous people who have not been named and who have not been investigated properly. And that's where you end up in these side investigations too, into you know, what has been released and who. So part of. The Massy petition that went through was to release files, release names, only, redact victims or people that were are potentially in current active investigations, and any reaction that was made has to be justified to Congress. And what we're seeing is just pages and pages and pages blacked out, names blacked out that clearly should be a name of someone that needs an instigationers in some way associated. And so there's now all these side questions coming up in these additional investigations that are probably going to come out into the DJ or whoever of you know, why are perpetrators being redacted? Why are certain names being redacted? Those are the names that Congress needs to start these or to to head towards these investigations. But I think, honestly to your point earlier, as far as the example you gave is a businessman from New York, I understand why like somebody would push back and be like, put my name out there without any evidence, because like, you know, you could it could be that you could be that one in a hundred that just happened to be passing through and I. Had to sign a paper because I bought up at least. And so right, So like from my standpoint, I think again it goes back to the simplification of there's obviously been a crime, numerous crimes committed, commit to and I. Think that ad it's just this whole other layer of difficulty for while it may not be many that that group of people that are just happen to be passing through the an extra in the background of a movie horror film. Where as much as it's justice for the victims, there also needs to be some effort put into protecting literally innocent bystanders who did not catch strays. Essentially, here's the thought I just popped in my head. I know, when they had all the stuff with cigarettes on, this is totally different, but like there was a class action lawsuit and people got to stand in line to get money based on cigarette manufacturers claim that they were not addictive in all those different things. Let's make it simple, but let Congress put a fund together and have somebody come forward if they're willing to come forward, donate, like give them a certain amount of money to allow professional investigators or entities to conduct a thorough investigation with their permission on the case. Yeah. I mean I think that opens other cans of worms of profiteering and stuff like that. But I mean some's got to ask. So no, I mean, I think at the end of the day, like where you and I both are fully grounded. In this, is that not enough. Nothing is happening. And I mean there's a lot. I mean, how many pages did they But like it's like they. Want to say, like the first drop was like a million five a million documents, the next one was like thirty eight thousand, and there's still more that haven't come out yet for one. Justification or the other. It's it's a lot, it is, And I think the Epstein estate still has stuff that hasn't necessarily been subpoena yet they've from everything I've read been very willing to turn over anything and everything that's been requested. I think, weirdly, of all people involved, it's been the Epstein estate that's put in the most effort to try and get justice for things, because they're sitting there going, yeah, take anything, take whatever you want, like he was a monster. Take it. They're the ones that turned over the birthday book. They're the ones that turned over all these things upon request, I believe. But the willingness of them, by comparison to DJ or Congress or any of this other stuff, it's this weird dichotomy of the people closest to the monster seemingly being the most transparent of any of it. So talk about the birthday book, let's close with that, just grect people an idea of what how, like how the depth of what went on. Well so, and it's something like that that also taught It's why I feel you'll never be able to fully remove politics from this investigation is because there was this book that came out that was released by the Epstein State for Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday. I guess Julaane Maxwell reached out to known associate's friends whatever and said, hey, can you send stuff in. I'm putting together a scrapbook for Jeffrey's fiftieth birthday, Like, send in whatever you need. And what first drew a lot of light to this was one page of a letter written by President Trump that had some just very weirdly worded, you know, such and such secrets amongst friends, this, that and the other. But what drew so much attention to it was the Wall Street Journal kind of broke this page that it was this poem and then this weird outline of from my opinion, what looks to be a young woman with allegedly President Trump's signature where pubic hair would be. And so that sort of brought this book into the spotlight of of of media attention. Also in this book was a letter from President Trump or not sorry I president President Clinton. I want to say there was something in there from the the dude that runs Virgin Mobile whatever, that guy British or Australian guy. Yeah, I know you're talking about. I'm blanking on his name now, but there are very there are a lot of prominent YEP also has an island down in the Caribbean, vaguely close like not saying that he's done anything. But it was known associates or or business buddies or whatever, you know, billionaires hanging out with billionaires type deal, just sending this thing. But what drew, what kind of made it so prominent, was you can look at it and go, it's a bunch of dudes, you know, sending a letter, you know, happy birthday, this, that and the other. Fiftieth birthday. It's a big milestone birthday. And it could be innocu. But then there was again because of the nature of where we are, it's it's denials, Oh I didn't do that, I'm not in that, that wasn't me, this, that, and the other. And so it bloomed into this thing that also included President Trump suing the Wall Street Journal for defamation by releasing this saying that's not me. This is all fake. This is blah blah blah blah. And then it turned out to be real, and so it was this made up blossuit. So it took this This book sort of was the was a catalyst because I think it came out in like November, but it was this catalyst for sort of casting these spotlights on multiple people involved, you know, why are you why are you writing a letter? But also this catalyst for you know, okay, what are we lying about? What is what needs to be looked into? Who are who are these people? And why are they there? And it just sort of. But these are the reason this is so interesting is we're not talking about like, like you said, or whatever from our woods. Yeah, like the are like No, it's it's well known to. A bunch of well known people. So it's well known that we have a monster that is associated with a lot of power. And I want to say his fifty you'll have someone will have to fact check me on when this was, but it was I want to say, right before his first conviction or between the two convictions, So it was at a time where in theory people would know something maybe going on. Don't quote me on the well, we'll have to fact check what that date was. But it's this moment of to me, you're you're talking about you know, this commission, like, here's a list of people that we might want to further investigate. That's a in my opinion, darn good place to start, because you know, I look around and maybe it's different when you're a billionaire, but I couldn't name you enough of my friends that would write me letters for my fiftieth birthday to make a whole book out of it. But to me, that's a pretty clear cut list of people. And again one of them was Bill Clinton. He was subpoenaed and they asked him about it because there is some word in his letter that they couldn't quite make out, and he's like, oh, yeah, I have terrible handwriting. That word is this, But he read the whole letter in his subpoena interview. You can find the video of him doing it, going through it. But it's this aspect of like, to me, you look at the names in that book and you go, here's here's a perfect list to start an investigation with or to use as a point of reference. So his fiftieth birthday was born January twentieth, nineteen fifty three. So that've been two thousand and three, so I've been about five years before, so five years before his first But it's also allegedly I think after the window or right near the window of when people said I think Lutnick said I didn't hang out with him after two thousand and four or something like that. So it's it just all falls in this time frame of stories not matching up, of stuff not matching up. And then I think, you know, because of that, you know, because of it, it also sort of ties to this other aspect of what has complicated this story so much. This this moment in history is again, you have the lawsuit, you have I didn't do it, like a lot of. I'm not in it. It's not me, he said, she said, all this like finger pointing, and through all of it, you have various people in media, White House, administrative positions, FBI, d OJ you know, all these people saying, oh, we have this, we don't have this, There aren't any people that need to be investigated. Oh there are people that need to be investigator. We have all these victims now that no one's talked to, and they've named all these people that no one's talked to. And so you take and again, you know, you piggyback off the sort of the birthday book is you have all of this information that seemingly no one's actually doing something with that seemingly it's you know, one day over the summer, you know, I refer to Pamba, which just like oh yeah, there's a list of names on my desk. It's right there. We just got to go through it fast forward six months. Oh no, there's no list. What are you talking about? We never had a list, And so it's this just murky murky situation. And of course it's that, well, you know, the Biden administration had access to these names. Why didn't they do? And you know, all this stuff out there. And I think it's discussion. Nobody wanted, nobody in power. No one wants to touch us with a ten foot poll, and there's reason people are demanding it, and it's and it's becoming harder and harder to run away from. I think the reason. I think the reason to me, I believe that they're slow walking, and I think for the powers that be, it's a good thing for them to single single out like Bill Clinton, because then you have the right going like Bill Clinton did this, Donald Trump did this, And so it goes back and forth and it loses sight again of you have a monster who traffic kids and as a result, they were molested and sexually exploited and they will not recover and they have no justice. I would not be so my my personal theory, and as much as I can, I truly do not believe this. As someone who leans to the left, I would not be surprised if they try and drag this out as much as they can till. The end of. Midterms. Not even midterms. I think they drag this out till the end of President Trump's second term when he can't run again. Uh, and then he's a sacrificial cow. I think. I think by the time he once he gets to a position of no longer like new election, new president coming in, there's just because of his age, because of his ties. And this is not me saying this as like someone from the left saying, oh, take down Donald no like, because of how many prominent people, how many big names, how like if they want to make it, let's let's let's throw someone to the wolves to protect all of us as because you know that's more than likely. He'll do it Joe Biden when he couldn't, he couldn't carry on a conversation. Something like that. But but it just it strikes me as this moment where you have people in power trying to protect themselves and where's the where's the weak link, Where's someone that people don't like, you know, the left doesn't like him. His own base is upset that he campaigned on not releasing the or on releasing the files and then hasn't. So there's a bunch of people. To me, it looks like he is a prominent enough name obviously to be thrown to the wolves to just because to your point, find the one person to distract from everyone, and it'll be look, we took down this guy, investigate like and and that'll be enough. It'll be and the rest of things will sort of slate by. But I'm saying like I'm not. But the problem with that is is I think he's just his ornery as Joe Biden, and he will sabotage whoever. He will sabotage it. He to me, has enough trying to think of the best word to call it, love of himself that he would not go out without swinging. Yes, But I think if he's old enough, because again at that point he'll be eighty two. And and honestly, like if. You like, cut his hand off so can't tweet and all that other stuff. That's the only way he's not. That's that's what I mean, is like he would be old enough to be a sacrificial lay but with no, real, like, he's not really gonna have like what are they gonna do? Put him in jail for five more years? And I don't like kills him or whatever, But yeah, well I don't know, it's it's one. Of those things. Somehow I've taken this dark conversation and made it even darker. Thank you, Yeah, you're all thank. You, but that's your I'm just kidding, No, I mean, but trying to right now, there's no way to make this conversation not dark. And I think, what, well, what is what is fascinating to me? And I know we like we we want it to not be political, but what is fascinating to me is how unifying at our life level of stuff not up there and not in the. Media there they're just on the wrong side of it. But this aspect of like you know, you and I view things from pretty not consistently two different perspectives. But I think more people than not are sitting here going why don't the victims have justice? Why aren't we having accountability? But why are we? Are we? Nobody? Nobody? Like people are pissing and moaning about the Epstein files, and what they need to do is they need to start getting in there and saying, like the victims, they. Just yeah, the files are the files, They're not going anywhere. It's now it's pissing and moaning about Okay, Congress, why aren't we doing anything? Why are we dragging our feet? Why aren't we doing an investigation? And I think that that now is is more of a unifying thing of Again, it doesn't matter, you know, if it's Trump, if it's Lutnik, if it's Clinton, if it's whoever, But the fact that absolutely nothing seems to be happening in our country when so many others are taking steps. It's hard to believe we're the we're the clean country. You and I have talked, and you know you say we're the greatest country. Not when it comes to accountability on this type of thing, I would say we have fallen far short. I would agree on and so on a positive note, positive positive note is well, the coolest thing about a democracy in the country we live in is we have the ability to choose people that represent us and represent what we believe. And I don't care if you're right or left. We need to find people that have the the cahuneys to stand up and say this is it, like, we're not we're not kicking this down there, We're not kicking this canny or there's going to be accountability and it starts today. Yep. And I know that all. Running for office, Congress and House and Senate members listen to this podcast. They all tune in every week to hear our thoughts. So if they do, it's for those of you that are potentially getting elected in twenty twenty six. They step up up and be the people you say you need to be. I think, and I think there's something This is too real, This is too real. They don't want to listen. They don't they don't want reality, and they definitely don't want conversation with the. Well in the off change that they do left right or center. Like do do something, do the right thing? Yeah, all right, brother, I appreciate you making the drive down always all right, thank you,
