Inside the Investigation: Mental Health, Media, and Law Enforcement

Glad to have Chris Strom on. Strum God, I screwed it up. I practiced all that time, and now I'm asked that Chris Strum back on. I know you've been really active with Newsmax and everything else and talking about different things. Just give us a little rundown. I know you've been on before, talked about your book, talked about different things you experienced at NYPD and ultimately over and bag Dad. So glad to have you talk about a little bit about what is going on in the world of Strom. I appreciate you having me back here to you. It's it's a pleasure. Yeah, I mean, just been talking about some topical things. You know, we we there was there's been a lot with the Nancy Gothrie case. It's been a lot with transgender shootings. And sometimes I'm available and sometimes I'm not available. But I enjoy going on this show, and I guess I bring a perspective that they appreciate. And there's been times when I've been on some other other guests on a panel and uh, you know, so the one person would give their opinion, somebody like myself would give, you know, give my own opinion, and uh, most times we genuinely agree, like I'm on a lot with this one woman, uh, Betsy Brant Smith, who was a Chicago area police sergeant, and she runs an organization called the National Police Association. So we're like really good friends. And then when this whole thing with Nancy Guthrie uh turned up missing, disappeared, murdered, we don't really know at this point. She actually lives in Pima County, Arizona, so she gets some intimate fidelity and knowledge of both the sheriff and the and the and the sheriff's deputies that are working in that case. So but we were on uh, you know, sometimes we don't really know what we're going to be on together. And you get the notification, Hey, you're going to be on, and then they they pair you up with with with somebody, and every time we go on, it's almost like it's almost like I'm talking to you. Really, That's what it comes down to. There's such a familiarity and and it's a give and take. And most times when you do things on news Max, there's usually two questions per person. So if it's a panel of two, it'll start with one person and then it'll finish with go to the next person, and it goes back and then third. But sometimes depending on the time a lotted for the segment and dependent upon the person that you're on there with. I've been on there before with people that are just like hogs for the time. They're like, I've listened to me speak. Yeah, I've got a lot to say. And it's actually kind of comical because you see it coming because you know they're going to give that person the hook, right, And so I'm actually gratified by that that I have not both of them getting the hook and kind of making kind of a jerk out of themselves and me never getting the hook in terms of being able to share time and you know, be respectful of other people. So let's talk about that just a second. I know you don't want to go into a lot of detail, but like, what is your take on that situation with the Guthrie lady. I go back and forth on it. I'm of the opinion that she was never brought home. Recently, I posted something on social media and there was some pros and cons. A lot of my cop friends from the NYPD said, no, I think she was murdered, or I do think that there was a home invasion that went wrong, and they they stumbled upon it as she was being brought home. I'm very suspect of the sheriff because everything he says turns out not to be true, and there's been all all the missteps have been pointed out by lots of other people, people way smarter than me. I always say I don't do crime scene. I do interview and interrogation. But having said that, I know from the beginning of that of that particular crime, whatever it is, whatever turns out to be right, I would have called in the experts to do that crime scene. I would have I would have like shut everything down. They didn't do that. But I'm just very just just looking at it my opinion, and I just posted this recently on Facebook and also on Instagram. What if she was never like she was not brought back to the home. In other words, they know the intimate inner circle and the family know that there is cameras on the house. They claim that they went in through the garage door, the son in law dropped her off, and I'm of the opinion that they never brought her back home. I'm of the opinion that I believe somebody in their inner circle or the family did that. And the reason why I say that is because this guy walking up to the door the ring doorbell camera, it's like, you know, who's doing a home invasion at night? This is an eighty four year old woman. But you know, he walks back, grabs some grass or whatever it is, and puts it on the camera. It just doesn't seem very deliberate or intentional. And I did recently a podcast interview with Alison Maloney who works for Newsmax, but now she's branched off and she's doing her own podcast called Unscripted with Alice and Maloney. And that was my opinion then and that's my opinion now. But after the post came out, like getting back to my NYPD friends, some were saying, oh, no, she was definitely killed, or it was it was a home invasion gone wrong, or maybe there was an altercation in the house. And I'm like, it's good to have a debate about it, but nobody really really knows. You know, they're not really releasing too much information other than the fact that there appears to have been a struggle, that there appears to be blood both inside the house and outside the house. But you know, in the interview I did recently with Alison Maloney, I was like, I would love to know that both Nancy Guthrie's pattern of life and I would certainly want to know the inner circle of family's pattern of life, because they're saying, well, we went out to dinner and then we took her home, and I posted on Facebook, well, when was the last time you did that? In other words, notwithstanding that that. Particularly event, just the only time that you've ever brought her back home? Ye brought her back home? Or what's your frequency in terms of, you know, going out to dinner? Is it once a week, once a month, only on special occasions like a birthday, anniversary or whatever it is. And of course they're not going to reveal that information to me, but the fact that would be where I would start. I would start right in the center and work my way out. And apparently they did try and do that, but it's it's not working out so well for them. I think. I think one of the things that people don't realize is I think sometimes I think people do not realize the general public doesn't realize that there is never one track when we work in work cases, everybody has a different track, and to me, it's like, Okay, here's three possibilities, four possibilities, let's let's prove or disprove them. And eventually the evidence is going to point to what happened. And that's the track you end up running. And I think I think people lose sight of that. They get distracted by the glove out in the middle of you know, on the side of the road, and this and that and it. You know, just like I always always am amused by the DNA stuff. It's just like, oh, it's magic. And then then they come out and go, it's actually gonna be like four or five months before anything happens, and it's just like you know, and you know, the sad part about it is you have an eighty four year old lady and you know, somebody that people care deeply about and they can't find her, and that has to just weigh on you greatly on the family. Oh yeah, I mean one hundred percent. I mean, like again, I do interview in interrogation, so I would love to get this person in the box and just. Give me three, give me three suspects. Yeah, asking me any three and I'll take you know, complying, non compliant, complying with information, not complying, non complying with information, and do we quote sorting, you know, sources and things like that and just have at and just work it. And I'm sure, I'm sure that was done. But I'm also equally sure that because of the sheriff and his he was pro defund the police, he was anti police to fund the police. He's supported the funding the police. He's not a Trump fan. I'm just putting that out there. And I only know this because of my friend Betsy. This is inside book. I wouldn't know it any any any way, one way or the other. But her opinion and some and some of the things that she shared with me. I think that the inner circle, meaning of the family members, people that would have a reason to be there, maybe the house cleaner or gardeners or whatever it might be, were treated more like victims than suspects. And that's her opinion, and I happen to agree and share that opinions. Talk about that real quick. With your vast experience with interviews, you never get a chance to do the first interview, do it over, do you know? And so when you do an interview, if you don't get that information fresh, what happens. Well, then people lawyer up. I mean in a situation like this. And again I don't know. Again, this is only my opinion, but I believe it only because I said this before on Newsmax, and I said it also with Alison Maloney on her on her podcast. Who benefits from this? This woman is eighty four years old? Right, who's going to I mean, okay, theory number one, somebody broke into the house, they killed her. Well I don't. I can't recall anyone that got killed in a home vision where the bodies taken with them. Okay, So okay, so that's that. I don't believe. If it's a kidnapping, where is the ransom demand? I know there are seventy some miles between where her home is in Mexico, so there could be a possibility of something like that, but that time has come and gone. In other words, I've got the body, here's the proof of life. We cut her ear off, or we have a video of her a saint, please send money or whatever it is. And then they introduced this thing with bitcoin and said I said, I said on in one of the interviews, I can't remember which. I didn't know anything about bitcoin. I don't own bitcoin. I wouldn't know how to transfer or wire somebody with bitcoin. I've probably written less than a hundred schecks in my whole life between my wife and I, So I don't know anything about that. But so that seemed to be like another theory that's coming gone. So now the question is we go to the trouble of a home invasion. Hypothetically we kill this woman, what's taken? I mean, you know, maybe she had some valuable jewelry and things like that, but you're gonna take her and then we're gonna have to feed her, house her or whatever, going on the premise that she was kidnapped. Well, not to mention what their pacemaker and she has medication and everything else. It's not like you're gonna be able to keep her alive right in any way, shape or form. And there's no quality of life not to keep her alive. I mean, the clock, the clock is not working for you at that Yeah. It's more of it's more of a problem than anything else. And again I can't ever recoil where somebody was abducted, especially at that age, because I saw I read something online where percentage nationally they make up less than like five percent of people that are actually kidnapped in an adult or somebody that's you know, has medical complications and things like that. So so what are you left with? Yeah, what do you what are you really left with? And then the fact that we're finding gloves two miles down the road. I mean, I'm like, again going back to my friend Betsy Brandon of Smith who lives there, she says, you can't believe the amount of gloves you would find on the side of the road because it's a very transient community. There's a lot of contracting workers that are there. You know, that glove resembled that glove. I mean, like, I mean, it's just again, we go to all again, we're going to all the trouble to abduct this woman, but then we're going to discard things that could definitely link me to this crime on the side of the road instead of just going to some random, yeah, some dumb side, or burying it or burning it, or going to just going to a McDonald's and lifting up their dumpster and throwing everything in their wholesale. I mean, none of it makes any sense. None of it makes any sense, Well, I don't know. Like I said, I think one of the things I would like to say in that and experience with law enforcement is the same part about our job is depending on who's in charge and what resources they put. If they don't put their very best, I think people would be people would be disappointed to know how much it depends on the initial officer, because that whoever comes in and works it starts that is going to decide really what the outcome is going to be. Unless somebody intervenes pretty quick. Yeah, somebody's got to take charge. And again getting back to I do interview, interrogation, I don't. I don't do crime scene, but I'm smart enough to call in those resources and say, hey, I need help with this. Right, I wouldn't let my pride and ego get in the way, and that obviously you wouldn't either. But again, that one opportunity. Now that that that ship has sailed, now what are we going to do? Now? How do we salvage this And this crime could actually go unsolved depending depending on who who committed the crime. We don't have a body, so you know, it's it. There's so many challenges with this case. It's it's unbelievable and it didn't have to be that way. You gold to lock people into a timeline. And even if they said, well, you know what, I don't want to talk to you, that's fine, I don't have to you don't have to talk to me. But I would be doing research, which I'm sure they are doing with you know, forensic cell phones. So I mentioned this in the interview I did with Allison, you know, pattern in life cell phone usage. You know, for me, I never turned my phone off. I might put it on silent because I don't want to if I'm in a meeting or whatever the case is, you know, depending on the setting, right, but my phone has never been turned off since the day I bought the phone. Okay, so just for argument's sake, let's say the son in law's phone and I'm just using him as an example, or the sister or the daughter's phone, suddenly it's turned off. It's never been turned off before, but that day it's turned off, or two days before, where they normally have anywhere from twenty five to one hundred text messages every day, And of course I know I'm appreciing to it. The choir I know, you know all that stuff and suddenly the pattern of life changes. That's that's how you create That's how you have information when you go in there with your first interview and say, hey, what's going on and lock them into that statement whether you have the information or not. But now they're locked in, and now you've more more information is coming in and the digital footprint and the forensics, and now you're like. I think, I think that's where we fail in law enforcement is the collection of information because we get lazy. We go in there and we're like, all right, these are the sections that I need to cover from my report. They don't understand, like have a conversation, like a pretty clean conversation of like, hey, what have you done for the last twenty four hours? I think I'm always impressed with these guys that like do like interviews like you do and stuff like that, and you start you start itemizing what they're doing, and they have that gap or they go in and they talk you know, I went for you know, like boom boom boom. They have all their time straight and everything else, and then the time where everything occurred, they're like I don't really remember, or they have they've lied so much. And then I mean, then that's where it gives you your opportunity to go in there and start attacking their story. Yeah, I mean at some point in time even though and again this is important too as and I know you know this, but for your audience's benefit, you have to separate people. You have to separate them right away, right And if they said, well I want I want to be in there with my wife or I want to be in there with my husband, I'm like, yeat, not today, not today. And if they're insistent upon it, well, then you know what, I don't know. If I would interview them, I would probably say, hey, you know what, let's let's try this again tomorrow. I would try and work an angle where I wouldn't have to interview them, you know, together, because obviously their husband and wife, brothers and sister, other family members, if they've rehearsed this story, if they're involved again. They may not be involved. I'm not saying they are, but you. Can, you can. I think the other thing about that that's really cool is if you take two people that are both telling the truth, their stories aren't going to be exactly the same, but they're going to intersect enough where you're like, Okay, we can move on, right, And I think that's that's what you lose on the people that are not even involved in stuff if you haven't locked them in very well, and then they have then with all the media attention and everything else, Like, are you really getting clean information at that point? Probably not, because we're all influenced by the information that we get. It's not like, hey, this tell me what you did the last twenty four forty eight hours. What do you know about this? All that's gone and out the door because they've spent so much, they've given them so much time to be exposed to all these different things that you don't have a clean you don't have clean information coming in. I think one of the coolest things about your book is talking about like you go in there and Baghdad and you're doing an interview and the guy's like, I don't have anything to tell you. And then your boys are out there like searching and they're like, actually he does. And then they present and it's amazing how that changes their life. You know, it's a religious experience at that point, So talk about talk about that, Like I always I've enjoyed that, but talk about like what it's like when you go in there and you're you're fresh, you're having a contact with somebody and you know they're lying to you, and you're like, oh, I need is that one piece of inform? Yeah? Well, we use what you call logic traps, you use psychological manipulation, you use other statements that from other people that contradict that. So, for example, the story in the guth three cases they went out to dinner, Well, I would love to be a fly on the wall at that restaurant and speak to the wait staff, the waiter, the waitress, if they ordered drinks, a bartender, the matre d that brought them into this restaurant. And again, they don't have a dog in this fight. They have no reason to not tell you the truth. So what time did you get there? You know? So I would exhaust him. I would exhaust those people until I couldn't think of any more questions, and that I would walk out of the room and be like, juwet you have any what did I miss? Is there any more questions? I could ask this waiter or a waitress that I missed and go back in there again. Again, they don't have a dog in a fight. So, as you said, they have no reason it's cleaning. They don't have a reason to lie about that. But if they tell me. Yeah, I looked at them, and while they were having dinner, he was constantly on his phone, right, Well, was he on his phone talking on his phone? Was he texting on his phone? Now? I think he was texting on his phone? What about What about the daughter? What was she doing? She was just sitting there? What was their facial affect? What was their body language? Right? Were they having a good time? Were they laughing? What was Did you overhear any part of their conversation? Anything? Just any little little piece of information that I could turn around. And now, if I'm actually, you know, fortunate enough to actually interview the son in law or the or the daughter or whoever you are. You've already you already have like a video in your mind of what dinner looked like, and that way your questions are not just like tossed out there randomly. Right, And it's again, it's only dinner. What car did they come in? I didn't see the car. Did they have a valet? Go talk to the valet? Oh, he came in a blue ford pickup truck four do or who was in the truck, who was driving right, the wife was driving, he was driving, anything that you could pick apart the story, just to like take them down and again, as you know, and from doing this, let them just tell this story uninterrupted the first time. Tell the whole story. Get engage with him and let them, let them tell you. Let them and like, don't question them, don't don't change your your your facial expression, don't roll your eyes. Just let them tell the whole story. Yeah, and then say, okay, so let me just I just want to ask you, So you were driving the truck. Yeah? Yeah, I was trying to okay because I talked to the valet guy and he said, your wife was driving the truck. Oh yeah, you're right, my wife was driving the truck. Not a big deal, you know. But it's it's it's it's just something now that he's he's going to obsess over now because he's he knows that you've done your homework right, and so then it just it just whittles a way down and just and again that's very basic. But that's where I that's where I would be starting from because again I would also ask, have you ever seen this family before come to your restaurant? Oh? Yeah, they come all the time. I've never seen him before. How long you work in here? Ten years? Right? Yeah, you get a better idea of what Yeah. I mean, And again that's basic stuff, and I'm I'd like to think that that's what they were doing there, but you know, nobody really knows because they're very So what do you. Know about the story? And maybe you don't, but by being on and talking about that, there was something that I heard where apparently one of his pilots, search and rescue pilots was grounded because the sheriff was mad at him or something like that. Did you hear anything about that or not? I did. I did hear that. I did hear that they called for those resources and that it was denied. Is that factually accurate? A true? I don't know. I heard the same thing, but I don't know if that's true or not. But so, but it could be. Yeah, And if it is, I mean, that's I mean, that's a big, big loss, you know. Well, and the crazy thing about this sheriff is apparently and I found this out just I think it was Sunday night, Saturday night, Sunday night. They did. Ah, I can't remember the company that did it. It's it's called Desert Law. So basically it's it's like an association of. No, it's like cops, like they did like ride alongs with the Pima County Sheriff's Department. And the title of this series is going to be called Desert Law. And I can't remember the name of the company's not. I don't know if it's like clicks. Or it's more like cops, but it's right, but. It's but it's but it's them going on jobs and it's profiling different officers. Yeah, you know, I always wanted, you know, and they're doing right alongs I always wanted to be a cop, and they're responding to the courts. But the funny thing is that's that's this departments, that that is this department. And again they film this last summer, so it's six months already done. But it's just how ironic is it that they're interviewing these they're doing right along to the very department that's in charge of this whole investigation. Well, I think I don't know, like I know, we're going to spin around really quick but I think one of the things that you're saying is that it's analytics. It's taken information, collecting information from people and coming up with a answer or at least a direction to go on a case. One of the reasons why I wanted to have you on is it seems like we've had some mass shootings involving people that were in some way, shape or form transgender, and I feel like it's such a violatile issue. I feel like people get canceled. You got comedians that get kicked off stage for saying stuff and everything else. So what I'd like to do is just from an analytical standpoint, just from what you've seen and what you've heard. And we actually had somebody on a mother or mother grandmother of a child that was in a situation where she was transitioned without permission and things like that. Just talk about like I know to we discussed, let's talk about the two shootings that we know about that were committed by somebody that was in some type of a transition. You had the shooting at a hockey rink, right, and that was in New Hampshire, correct road out, and then you had the shooting in British Columbia and Canada, and it was the same situation and both of them were fairly young, well one was young, one was in their forties I think. And so just talk about that, like when you look at that, I know you're really interested in safety for kids in school, that's why you came back into the law enforcement profession in the first place. But from your standpoint, what do what does law enforcement being aware of the fact like that this is something that is really important to a lot of people, how do you have that conversation of like, I understand it's important, but let's be honest, you know, I want this is not a great example, but it's something that we had actually talked about earlier together with some of the people here, which is what we know about people that are victims of sexual assault. There are there are there are things that they do as a result of that. They're cutters, they have all these different things as that they are involved in. So what would what do you know and what can you talk about as far as transgender people and in shootings involved. Well, I think there's there's there's a there's many problems. One is the the person that wants to transition. Everybody you know in this room has been a teenager at some point in time. A lot of these, as you mentioned, some of these children have been victims of sexual abuse, sexual so broken homes, They've experienced any number of kinds of trauma. It doesn't have to even be sexual. It could be domestic violence, it could be alcohol abuse, drug abuse, broken homes, brokenness, and so they're they're very unhappy and depressed. And so usually that's where where the medical profession comes in. They're like, hey, you know what my child is is very depressed, doesn't like school. It's been online looking at graphic videos in terms of these violent video games that some kids play, or whatever. He's had suicidal ideations, whatever it might be. So depending on the doctor and the doctor's school of thought, the doctor should be treating that symptom. The doctor should not be encouraging the child, who is a child, not an adult in this in this conversation that we have to fix you. We have to we got to get you in counseling. We've got to get you maybe on some medicines that will help you feel a little bit better about yourself. What we're finding out now is that there's been in the school system. Now shifting from the medical profession, that the counselors that come in contact with these children are not involving the parents, which to me is outrageous because they the school counselors call the parents as you know, if you have children for anything that they do wrong in the school, in terms of if they give them an a right, they're notified. You know, his grades are his grades are suffering. But the fact that this child is wanting to become a boy or you know, go from a boy to being a girl, or from a girl being to a boy, the fact that they wouldn't include the parent in that conversation. And I'm not saying all schools do that, but some schools do, and we read about it all the time. But you're now switching back now to the doctor. Now we're going to have a doctor involved in this process, and he's going to tell the parents, you know, because this is what has been happening more often. Well, your child is depressed. He would probably feel better about himself if he became a woman or if he became a man, and we should, you know, seriously consider that. And by the way, if we don't do that, the child says he's going to kill kill themselves. So they holy. You know, as a parent, when you hear that, your heart goes out and you're like, well, oh my god, I don't want my child to kill kill myself. But I think that that information and advice from the doctor is completely flawed because I don't think they're treating the symptom. I think they're just they have a mindset and something that they subscribe to that they believe is right. But that's not the common wisdom of of of a social worker or a psychiatrist that would say, hey, no, that's let's let's look at the underlying problem. This is an adolescent child and they go through a lot of experiences and a lot of hormonal changes. So so, but what I always wonder about is like, as you walk through these shootings and you analyze them, what is the common denominator other than I think mental health is one of them. It's not just And I think that's one of the things is I think people want to like grasp on one thing and go, Okay, well it's because of this, but it's is is I mean, I guess it's politically incorrect, but is the transitioning and stuff like that just a symptom of people that are, you know, going through some type of mental situation or something. I don't know, like I. In my opinion, again, I'm not a doctor. I believe that it is. It is. Five years ago it would have been classified as gender dys for you, a medical a medical psychological condition. It's not normal to want to do that. It's not normal. And people, when we have this conversation, we're talking about children. These are children at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years of age that want to change their body. I mean, nobody has the wherewithal. We have adults that are in their twenties and thirties that don't have enough wherewithal to make good, you know, good decisions in terms of things like that. But yeah, we're going to allow a child to do that. We're gonna allow medical practitioners to say, yeah, that's fine. They don't need permission from the family members, they don't have to be included in this. We're going to give them SSRIs and other kind of estrogen or testosterone agents and introduce that into an adolescent child. I mean, it's just to me, it's like, that's not the hippocratic oath of the medical profession, do no harm. We're not treating again back to it's not treating the symptom. We're just trying to pacify this person because I want to do this. And it's funny. I remember seeing Bill Maher and I'm really not a fan of his, but I saw a clip of his on social media where he said, you know, he was against all this transition surgery, and he said, you know, when I was a kid, I wanted to be a pirate, he goes, And I was twelve years old, He goes, Does that mean I should cut off my leg and put a peg leg in and pull one of my eyes out? So I wear a patch because I want to be a pirate? Because the same kind of logic should be applied to these children. They can't make these kind of decisions, especially when they're in distress the way they are. They're not in charge of their emotions at this point in at this stage of their life. But he so, I think that's what I think is the most interesting part about it is is that I think about children that have to get parents, permission, to get peer things, all these things that involve their bodies. But yet you have this magic Okay, I want to transition, and then every other rule to me is thrown out and I don't understand that. I don't understand and I don't know how you have a conversation that says, okay, we accept it, like there are people that genuinely feel like that and that, and that's perfectly fine, don't. I don't think anybody wants to target these children and say, hey, you know, you're really jacked up or anything else, But like, I do think it's important instead of like jumping to something that extreme that is like life altering, it really is. Because I did read about a lawsuit about a girl that had a double missectomy and now she's twenty some years old. She just won the lawsuit because and what's kind of funny is when you read it the different websites, one website will say, like the one that are more for the trans like it was a trans news. They were saying, well, like, this isn't precedent or anything else. It was just that that psychiatrist was not equipped to deal with a child that was in transition. And that's why they won the two million dollar lawsuit. And I think I think it's really dangerous when you say, Okay, they just weren't like, are we really going to get that specialized? When a symptom of you know, struggling mentally is to think, Okay, do I want to do this? Do I want to do this? And I guess I don't know. I don't know how you work through that to a point where you have people that I just don't know why. It's such a militant and such extreme on both sides. Yeah, my body, my choice, this whole thing. And I get that when you're an adult again, I really if that's what you want to do. I mean, I feel bad for you because I feel like there's something wrong with you. That's just my opinion. I'm not saying that to be mean spirited and say that or I'm making fun of somebody. I feel like there's something wrong with you that you would want to change your body. Totally different from sexual orientation that you're a man and you like men as opposed to women or women you're a woman, you like, that's not what we're talking about. There's something that's so life altering that there's no coming back from this. And you know, as a child, I don't think that they they should be allowed to make that decision. I couldn't. I had to get my parents' permission to join the Marine Corps age seventeen, right, and uh and and think, and then we've had this conversation. I think, God, they did. But that's a whole lot different than changing my body right from being a man to a woman or vice for it. Just it just doesn't make any sense. I just wonder if you could get to the point of having a conversation with the other side where you could say, hey, let's let's make it a starting point. A starting point in this conversation is let's accept that if somebody is to the point where they want to change their gender, they are struggling and this is a big decision that could possibly go either direction, bad or good. Let's let's to me. It's like, let's pump the brakes and say, hey, let's have a conversation. What is the rush, in my opinion, what is the rush to get the surgery, to get the medication and everything else. I don't I don't understand why that that is such a rush. Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And again, I think there are some states that are trying to pass legislation in terms of a minimum age that you can actually even discuss this with it. There's hospitals that are losing funding over it. That's what's really weird about where we're at with politics is I think it was a federal trade commission. They were they're in a battle too, and all they're saying is like, well, it's because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the cause of all this. And I think maybe at some point it's not like I listen to both sides and it's not We're really not that extreme. There are fringe elements of both sides, but I don't think it's unusual for like the middle to sit there and say that's a really big medical decision to make. That is an extreme. That is extreme. I don't think anybody would say it is extreme to go from one gender to the other. I don't think too many people would be like, that doesn't seem like a big deal. It's like an in and out procedure. It doesn't seem like it's that significant. I mean, that's huge, and so why That's what I don't understand is the rush to get them to that point. And like, I think one of the things that I always think about with the country that we live in, is people complain about it, but there are checks and balances, and I'm not married to one. But I'm not a fan of attorneys for the most part. I know some really good attorneys. But I think that's the other thing is we legislate things and then we have interpretations of it and everything else. And I think one of the problems with that, with the legislation and everything that goes with that, is it is a good thing to have an attorney that can file a lawsuit to go, hey, you need to pump the brakes. You're gonna pay two million dollars because this child should not have had a double sectomy and have a life altering decision made. Allow that child to make that decision at a as a teenager. And I think that kind of rattles it back, and you know, it makes it But I don't know how to have that conversation with people well. And I think you brought up an interesting point. On the one hand, we have a medical doctor that's willing to do this procedure or a surgeon, I'm assuming. On the other hand, we have other medical practitioners like psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors and whatnot. They may or may not even be involved in this process. They may go straight from my child's depressed, they see a doctor and they want this procedure, and again, depending on the school of thought with the doctor, maybe he bypasses. And again I don't know. Again, I know what I know. I don't know enough about the medical profession, but it seems to me that there has been some missteps in terms of where the doctor, the surgeon is making that decision and the psychiatrist or the psychologist is removed from this picture, where if this child is fifteen sixteen years of age, that there should be a mandatory counseling session of X. I don't know what excess six months a year or or or you know, or back to the age you're eighteen, you're an adult, you can buy you know. We have limitations on alcohol, I mean and again alcohol. We have limitations on voting, you know, age and things like that, limitations on going into milic. We don't want to have a limitation. We're talking about a twelve thirteen year old child where we were supposed to assume that just because they're upset or they're threatened to kill themselves if we don't allow them to have the surgery, or the doctor is telling the parent back to what I said before, if you don't allow your child to do this, they're going to kill themselves. Anyway, Like that's like, well, do I put the gun to my head now, or do I put the gun down and let my child put the gun to their head? Right with this medical decision? Right? I mean, it's like it's a zero sum game of this whole process. I wonder what people from the other side would say the solution is. I mean I think I think the friends would say, this is something these children have a right to do this, and so they should be allowed to do it. But like, what does the other side say? And realistically, is it really not that big of a deal to the general public. I read something that said, like the Democrats are choosing this as a as a issue. Most people don't think it's an issue and they don't want to deal with it. Unfortunately, you have parents, you have an end result, which is and I always think about the conversation people talk about with guns. It's like, well, you know, with guns, you know they're going to kill somebody. You know you're going to kill somebody with a gun a gun, the gun just picks itself up and starts firing it, you know, indiscriminately. I think that's an interesting conversation when you think about I think I don't remember who it was that had that discussion, but they said, how many people were killed last year with drunk driving? Like should we ban alcohol? Should we not let people drive cars? Like if that is, if that's the end game, which is to prevent you know, tragedies like that occurring. In your solution to prevent that tragedy is like take the guns and then let's take the cars, let's take take the alcohol. And you know, when you start putting it in that perspective, it does change, like it's like, oh well, maybe maybe that's not the direction we need to go. I don't know. Like from your standpoint though, as far as people that are not I don't want to say target or anything. I want to be really careful with how I say it. But like from my standpoint, when you look at school shootings and being in that environment, so we get off the trains stuff a little bit, what do you see in your in what you do day in and day out, and what you what you read about with you know, school shootings in general. What is it is like a reoccurring theme that when you look at it and you walk through where you're at and you're going, Okay, I need to pay attention to that, not because I'm like targeting that person. It is like I need to I need to extend some type of outreach towards that person because they possibly could be in a bad situation. And maybe that's the answer, Maybe the answer to the whole trans thing is like I don't want to say embrace. I'm just but more than anything, go that person's struggling, and because they're struggling as a human being, I need to do something that makes them feel like I don't really it doesn't matter what you're going through. I just want you to know that I'm here. Yeah. I think teachers are probably the first ones to see that because they interact with the same students, stay in the day out. I think teachers are in a tough spot having worked with teachers now for a couple of years, depending on their relationship with the principal, with the counsel or things like that, coming forward and saying hey, you know, pull this kid out, just talk to them for a little bit, because that's where that's where the start point usually is. And sometimes because the privacy issues, I'm not made aware of that. Sometimes I stumble onto it on my own and if I ask. Usually if I ask, you know, not getting you deep into the medical interest, but just from a safety perspective, they're usually pretty forthcoming with me. Getting back to the trans community. If we're if we're under the assumption that these people make up and when I say people, and I want people to jump all over me and say, like I'm labeling them, it's just people. I'm talking about this group, this segment of society, people that identify the people that identify as as a transgender. They make up a very very small segment of society. But the but the statistics of the of the shootings and the school shootings make up a huge portion of the school shootings. So you can't on one side be looking at statistical information and accepting it and then on the other side dismissing it, because that's that's where the like we had this conversation the last time, that's where the analysts come in. If the analysts are saying this and this is this is what it's pointing to just like in sales, if you're trying to sell something, you're trying to narrow the market of who who who wants this product. We're trying to narrow the field of who commits these crimes, and we have narrowed it down. When you say that now, it's like, oh, you say that old We're not nobody is saying that, but it's something like, we're getting back to what your question was. We've got to be aware of it. We have to look at these people and again in a loving way, in an understanding way, and trying to figure out what we can do to help them in life, get them more counseling. Because again, there's always signs. You mentioned this the last time we met. There's always someone that says the schoolmate, teacher, counselor pastor at a church, friend that's a coworker in a study group with them in the school. Yeah, Tommy, was we saw this, We saw this coming. Were but people are afraid, and they shouldn't be afraid. They should come out not in a mean spirited way. We're not talking about being meaningful. Say. Look like, as you said, I love the words struggling because they are struggling. They're struggling emotionally, they're struggling for any number of reasons that we all struggle in life. Everybody thinks that we just became adults and it was it was the gold golden road, and everybody just threw palm fronts on the ground for us to make sure I got where we needed to go. You know, that's this is part of life. Life is success, failure, heartbreak, emotion, death, relationships, all kinds of things. But these kids are experienced it at a pivotal point in their life where the emotions are just rampant at fifteen sixteen. I mean, remember myself being fifteen. And we didn't and we didn't have access to the comment guys than these kids have. I mean, it's it. I think that's the hardest point. Is the hardest point is that like they are so connected to the world around them that like we were in like a I don't want to say a bubble, but to a certain degree, like if somebody said, like, oh, this is happening and over here, you're like, I've never seen something like that, you know, that's not even familiar to me. And I think that's the that's a big difference. And I think, like for me, with these kids and with in general, it's just I would say, and I don't know if you would agree, but I would say, with the blanket statement, anyone that engages in a mass shooting is struggling, and it's just trying to figure out why they're struggling and preventing it. And I think that's one of the biggest frustrations I have with our occupation of law enforcement, is we're really good at like turning the lights into iron on and responding like why can't we do a better job of preventing, Like why don't we apply the resources before there's a problem? And Oh, I agree with that one hundred percent. And I think the parents, No, if you're a parent, you know your child better than anybody. I mean, you see a different side of them. You see them at home versus at school. Everybody has a different persona depending on the social setting and their environment. And the Sea in the Hook was like, I mean that kid was struggling up in Newtown and they knew it, and the mom bought you know, her answer was, well, let me just buy him in AR fifteen and take him to the range. Because of course, that's what he likes to do. My understanding from my recollection, parents were separated, kills, the mom goes to the school, shoots all these all these children up. I mean, it's just and then I believe, if I remember right, he killed himself. And that's what's happening a lot in these school shootings. Could and I'm not saying he was transgender getting I'm talking about the science people struggling. I don't want to conflate the two. This kid was clearly struggling. The mom knew it, the school knew it. He had an intimate knowledge of the school because he went to that school. I believe the mom worked there at some in some form of fashion. So and he's mad at the world, maybe because the parents are not together. Whatever. But if if my son, and my son is an adult now was struggling, the last thing I'm going to be doing is buying have a firearm, right, the last thing I'm going to be doing, in fact, if I have any firearms, I'm going to make sure they're locked up in a safe place so that he can't have access to him. Doesn't mean that you've eliminated all possible abilities for your child. To sell, you know, do some self harm, but at least that part you took ownership and responsibility for so in the. Schools and in general, I think, and I think that's the other problem is I think there's such a disconnect. I know we're bound. Well, you're bouncing in my brain, so welcome to Welcome to my world. But I was watching earlier today them talking about Minnesota and providing services. I mean, it's a totally different thing, but they were talking about all the fraud and everything up there, And I think that's one of the problems, and I think one of the things that we might be able to pave if we could ever get to the point where we communicate the other side. The left loves programs. They love programs. Why in the world do they not have a program that actually helps kids and people that are struggling with this. Not not to like rush them to a bad decision, but like, hey, let's have a conversation, let's let's have let's figure out whatever resource you need and help you do it, instead of saying like okay, And I'm not saying all that side does, but it does seem to like that grew they want to separate you from your support system, your parents. I'm gonna separate you from your support system. And I'm not saying like there's a lot of situations where parents aren't the advocate, but like the schools should know that. The schools should know like this parent, this kid plays sports, or I'd like to see the percentages on that, how many of these kids are involved in activities. That would be one of my curious things. And like for if my recall of all these or these kids are not they might be in a little clique, but they aren't involved in the schools. Yeah, I agree with you, and I think a big part is the social media influence. I think that's where all these people meet. And if you're already miserable in life or upset with your lot in life, and you find a group where people are like, hey, you know you're right to feel this way or whatever like that, you know that's who they're engaging with. Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a psychologist, but you know it's harmful. Social media can be an addiction. I'm sure these kids are spending too much time, and there's been statistical information that bears it out that you know, the kids that don't play sports, that don't engage in real conversations, you know, put the phone down, take the phone away, and it's there's there's there's issues with that. And then we find that they're in these chat groups later on where it's, uh, there's some pedophilia activity that's going on in there. They reach out to these kids, Oh no, you're normal to feel this way, and so there's so much and that's what danger out there. Yeah, and that's what happened with the young lady that her grandmother came on and talked about her situation. And that's exactly what happened, is the counselor put her grandchild in touch with a group that like feels and thinks like you think, and next thing you know, she had been trafficked out of the state. And I think that's that's the hard part. The hard part for me is is that you have all the statistics, Like you said, the analytics say that it's just, but it doesn't nobody wants to listen to it doesn't seem they just they want to mourn the loss, but never correct it, you know. And I think that's the biggest problem I see is you have these horrible situations, and I think people don't think about the trauma, the trauma of being in a safe place and watch somebody you care about, or you don't have any training or any experience in life, and you go to a hockey game and then you see people getting shot and we both know what that looks like. It's not a it's not a it's I mean, the movies have gotten a lot better of how they show it, but like the trauma and actually seeing that, it just people are seeing way too much and they're exposed to way too much. And I think that's stuff that that shows up years from that there and and it's not it's not something that usually people recover from. Unfortunately. No, I agree. I agree, And you know you try and you try and channel your energy into different things, but you know, these are you're talking about children at a hockey game, like said, they should they should feel safe. They're there with their family, they're there with their teammates to have fun. And and again in the in the Rhode Island shooting that we're talking about at the hockey game, the wife said, you know, I divorced them two years ago. This was this was a long time coming. They saw everybody saw it, everybody knew it. And this is an adult. Again, We're not even talking about an adolescent child. There's somebody that's maybe sixteen, seventeen years old. This, this gentleman person was forty some odd years of age. I mean, it just it and killed his children. No, I mean, you know, I mean, if that's not a sign of mental illness, I mean it's been out to kill a stranger, like, okay, so that's terrible too, obviously, But to kill your own children, Noah, that to me doesn't make any sense. That's I can't my mind can't go there. I can't unlock that door, can't go there. Well, I think I don't know. I just I just would. I know there's no magic solution for any of this, but I think I think one of the things, you know, light like light is what helps, you know, that's what cure I think about COVID. But one of the things that they said is like get outside, you know, like instead of being cooped up and everything else. I just wish people would would stop having such hateful rhetoric towards each other and like, oh my gosh, you said this, you said that, And I think everybody at some point engages in that. But like it doesn't Like you said, you get on these chat rooms and you think, hey, I'm normal, Like everybody hates this. Now they don't. They really don't. And I think and I think the leadership that we have in general is not doing a great job of like, you know, pattern is showing a pattern of like, oh, this is how you have a civil debate. And I think I think that's one of the hard parts about it is is that. But I understand, I mean, when you think about it, it does make sense because you have like there are people that regardless of what Donald Trump does, it's going to be wrong. It's going to be like, oh, well he's a horrible person. And the flip side of that, what they don't understand is that the what happens because of that is they are on the defensive and so like if they make a mistake, they can't really they should, but what would happen if they admit they made a mistake, They would be like crucified and and and it goes both it goes both ways. I think it's I don't know, I just wish that people would be able to have honest conversations where they're not so volatile. I guess of like, you know, hey, we can agree to disagree, you know, we we might think different. So along those lines, I'm gonna throw you curve ball. For the last thing. I've had a lot of conversations in law enforcement about the PBA and all the things that are involved with that, you know, endorsing our new governor here in Virginia, and with all the laws that are coming out with the general assemblies coming out with also talking about like changeing, redistrict ing, all these different things. And when I think about that, I think about what you're dealing with, your friends were dealing with. In New York. You have somebody that comes in there and promises the world, and then he gets there and he realizes, like, not only can I not do any not only can I not hit my minimum standard. I am going to have to do everything I said I wasn't going to do to reach to that. Tell us what you know about New York and like, hey, we can give everything to everybody, Holy smokes, we can't do anything for anybody. Well, let's start with the police department this year twenty years ago, so that would be twenty fifteen. Yeah, twenty fifteen, two thousand, Yeah, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, they hired four thousand police office, the biggest academy class they've ever had. All things being equal, those people probably, I would say overwhelmingly, those people, depending on what their position is in the police department, are going to leave. So you're losing four thousand people. When this guy Mandami campaign, he was for defund the police. Hate the police. Everybody knew that. Of course, he was pandering to the white liberal audience, all the Karens and all the Upper West Side and people in Manhattan like, oh, he's a great guy. He'll be wonderful because we hate the police too. So he was singing this song, but I think he generally hates the police. But I don't want to get off track, So he changed from that. He pivot and said, no, I better be pro law enforcement, because there was enough of a metric that if I didn't say that, I might not have won the selection. So they did some They used some analytics and some polling. So getting back to what you were saying now about moneies and things and you know, pipe dreams and things that can't be reached the class of the five thousand that they were going to bring in. And I spoke about this on Newsmax actually with Betsy, probably back in November of last year. I said, let's just say, for argument's sake, that he does hire these five thousand people. Right, you're losing four thousand. The net attrition rate for the academy classes anywhere from fifteen to twenty percent, So you can knock go off almost a thousand people from the four thousand. I go. That's assuming that, but you're still not keeping up with not only the four thousand that are leaving, but the four hundred that are leaving every every month after that. That's the normal attrition right already, So you're gonna be so. But now he's not able to hire these five thousand, So you're gonna lose four thousand. And why can't He doesn't have the money. He doesn't have the money because the mayor before him, who was really he was a cop, though he was a cop in name only. Believe me when I tell you there's a lot I could say about him. I'm not gonna say. And I want to make sure I don't get your banned from YouTube for some of the things I could say about him, but not, but you could say you're not a fan. He spent more time suing the police department along racial lines because of course he was disenfranchised. Got promoted a captain, which is another story in and of himself. But he spent over five almost six billion dollars. They had him in front of Congress. There's a videotape of him six billion dollars to have illegal aliens in New York City, six billion dollars which they didn't have. So they blew through the budget, and of course they did some manipulation with the accounting and so in fairness and I don't want to even stick up with this guy in for one second. He inherited a budget that was already a five billion dollar deficit before he even took the oath of office. So it's safe to say, despite what anybody says, there's a negative effect to the general population in particular New York for illegal immigration. Oh yeah, absolutely, as they created a five million, five billion billion. B with a B. Net negative right to support that program. So they've frozen all promotions, they've eliminated all over time, no hiring right, So again you can't imagine what it's like to go to work every day. And now there's more videos popping up on social media that show the doxing of New York City Police officers, where these people will intentionally get up in their face, be confrontational, say all kinds of vulgar things, trying to, you know, get their YouTube moment. But more than that, they're identifying the person. And then after they go back and download the videotape, they're like, this is Chris Strum. He lives at one two three Main Street in Sale in Virginia and saying, oh, and he's married and this is the card. So they're actually dockxing now the NYPD officers in New York City. I don't think people appreciate how screwed up it can be. Like the level of violent people you deal with in law enforcement. And I'm always amused by people thinking, why does ice wear a mask? Go look and see what happened in Mexico, what the cartail will do. Like, if you don't think there are violent entities out there, you might you might be just a Karen that likes to stir stuff up. But like you are actually putting somebody who is a public servant in harm's way by doing that. And the same thing with what you're talking about in New York, like why would like It's one thing for us to come to work and deal with what we have to deal with at work. It's something totally different when they drag our families into it. Yeah, it's it's it's completely out of hand. I feel for the cops, But you know, the flip side to that is that segment of society doesn't change my opinion about law enforcement or your opinion about law enforcement. It's still a great career, it's still a noble profession. And there's plenty of other places like Florida, like Texas, liked Tennessee, and other conservative states that really appreciate law enforcement. And they show that both with community interaction. They show that with special privileges, take home cars, financial incentives, promotion tracks, and things like that where they are actually appreciated. The NYPD was for me, and again, I had an amazing career. And I say that not because I think I'm amazing, but I'm saying that it was afford the opportunity to do so many different things. I spent thirteen years in playing clothes. I wasn't fooling anybody doing undercover work. Believe me, I'm about as white as you can get with blonde hair and blue eyes when I had here. But I went from doing anti crime to a robbery unit, to working a narcotics unit to work in the intelligence division. There's so many things that you can do, and it's such an exciting and rewarding job. All that stuff when you're on patrol, when you're the foot cop in Times Square, that you got to put up with these lunatics. You know, that's just noise, that's temporary. So hopefully we get around that. But you mentioned something about leadership. The leadership has to support these people when they get when you tell them, at some point in time, you're standing too close to me, you know, take a step back. If I make an arrest for disorderly conduct or impeding pedestrian traffic on a sidewalk, I want to know that the sergeant is going to support me for this arrest, right, not that he's going to throw me to the wolves and say no, we're not backing you, okay, And so you have to be, you know, make sure you're on steady ground with all that. I didn't have that issue we didn't have cell phones with cameras in it. We just we told people to move, and they moved because they knew. They knew. What the what is it that you said, I'm going to ask you yeah, and then I won't tell you yeah, and then I'm gonna make you exactly so. And I think that's the I think that's the difference. And I don't think people realize what law enforcement represents in a civilized society. They don't. They don't. I think people in the perfect world they're like, well, just like all the ice stuff, They're like, well, you know, she was just out doing this. No, she was creezy, Like you're in the middle of a violtal situation. There are things that they could have done differently. But at the end of the day, the only person in that whole scenario that made a decision that put them there were the two victims of those shootings. Those those agents did not they they made a decision based on what was happening to them. They did not, And I think that's the heart, that's the hard part that people don't understand. And I think what I would say to people is, like, what every single person that has been shot by law enforcement had in common, is they weren't doing what law enforcement told them to do. I can't. I don't think, and maybe somebody can call in and tell me it's different at some point, But I cannot think of a single instance that I've seen in my career or watching videos or anything else where somebody was doing what they were supposed to do and law enforcement shot them. And you know, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And I look at that Minnesota police chief and he starts crying on TV and then he's telling his department the whole world if ice calls for help, we're not going to help them. I was on News Max and I said, and actually it was my friend Kathleen Wynn and she has a radio show in Arizona, and we were talking about the call for help as a police officer. Right, well, my blood is boiling hearing this from this chief in Minnesota. I don't care who you are if you're calling for help. And the chief says, yeah, if you go, you're getting fired. Well you know what, fill out the paperwork now, because I'm going, and so is the guy that's sitting next to me in this radiar car. We're going. So you're gonna be busy because we're not gonna not help somebody calling from We held complete strangers calling for help. We don't make decisions on whether or not they really need the help, but we like or dislike them because of whatever reason. These are. These are police officers calling for help. They had checkpoints checkpoints in Minnesota. Are you ice? Let me say, and then and then as a civilian, like I'm just trying to imagine myself driving home to my house, right, are you ice? And some some Karen is standing there with a clipboard and taking pictures of my license plate. So here here's my question. What does that remind you of? That's like a stopo tack tact devise me of reminds me of Afghanistan? And yeah, exactly, that's what they did, like a shake down, like you're gonna shake me? Then, yeah, it's it's. But that went on that that they allow it, that allow it, they allowed and they push it as far as they can push it. What would you say the percentage of people that are like that extreme towards ice and law enforcement in general? You know it's in New York, It's the percentage is probably way way more than like places like New York, Seattle, Portland. But do you think it's any more than like diehard, like, hey, they need to like not the people that are like, Oh, I'm talking about the people who are like, these people are evil and they need we need to be rid of ice and everything else in law enforcement sucks. I think that's fair. In New York, I think that's fair. It might even be higher than I think that's fair. I really really do, because even before all this was going on, before ice and everything else, anytime there was a police shooting, depending on who was who was was doing the newscast or who was doing the reporting, police are bad police. I don't remember that. And and and if there was a racial component attack that they could attach to it all and on that till white guy shoots a black guy, never a black police officer shoots. And again I had this conversation. I can't remember who I was having this conversation with, but it was during the interview, and the guy the guys we were talking about, you know, the racial influx in terms of police interactions and things. And I said, the idea that a police officer would go out in New York City where the composite of in the demographic of the NYPD is fifty two white, forty eight percent other in terms of ethnic and racial backgrounds and the whole gamut. And you know the idea that you're going to go out and selectively just pull over black people, and your partner is black, or the people you work with on the platoon that went out that on the four to twelve that would notice that that was something that you had a proclivity for. I mean, it's outrageous. And then moreover to say, well, he shot me because he was because I was black. I'm like, no, I shot you because you had a knife in your hand. I told you to drop the knife, and I shot you. And that's this is what just happened recently now with Mudamie's not even three weeks into his administration. Thank god for the body camera. The police comes a man in distress. I believe it was his mom that called I think you may have The video was pretty prolific. Was all over the place, drop the knife, dropped the knife. At one point they pull the door closed and then it seems like he retreats and then they go back in. But then he comes out of it and they shoot him. He survives, but the mayor mon Damie is at the bedside of the victim, of the victim who had a knife, who was trying to stay at the police officer. And you can't even make this up because again this is what this is what he wants. The police are bad, you know. I I went from my defund the police. I'm gonna hire police. We can't hire the police because we have a buzz of budget deficit. But I'm gonna stand at the bedroom now. Now I'm gonna DEMONI as the ones that stay. Wait, it's it's coming, and I'm not wishing this on anybody. I don't want people to misinterpret me. Wait until there is another legitimate shooting where it's there could be a racial component attach to white, I'm black, black, whatever it could be an ethnic, could be religious or whatever. And the cop is killed unfortunately in this in this violent officer involved shooting. And now there's a funeral, which we've all seen these funerals. I can't even tell you how many have gone to. Right, It's always seems to be like a crappy day where it's raining and snowing and all this other kind of stuff, and this guy tries to show up for that. What I know, I'm aging myself. But what was the one where there was a mayor up there that nobody in the law enforcement liked and he came up there and tried to say something and the whole rank and file didn't about face and faced the. Way I was at that funeral. It's funny you mentioned that was Ramos and. Lou there were too, There were I ambush. Correct was they were sitting in the Lincolns. No, it was what mayor was de Blasio built and they all about faced and they are like. I was at that funeral. I swear to God, I went to that funeral. In fact, I talked to the pastor at my church and he came up to me and he said, oh, that's awful about what happened in New York and my blood was boiling. And you're like, I'm like, I like to tell you because because President Obama weighed in on the two, he weighed in on this too, again attaching racial So you have a Spanish fell police officer, you have a Chinese first generation I think it was Chinese or Vietnamese. I'm not sure. His wife was pregnant. The Chinese fell Lou. They're sitting in their car, mining their own business. This guy apparently was drove all the way up from Maryland. I'm gonna kill a cop, he had announced it, gets up there, shoots them. They're sitting in their car. It's not even that they had an interaction with him where they stopped him on the street, pulled them over. So getting back to my past where I trust you, he goes, I think you should go. So I go, and I was I'm telling you, I saw the jumbo tron and he's the church and everybody just turned around. And there were people on Fox News I'm not even going to say their names that said, oh, that was disrespectful, to include Dan Bongino. Okay, yeah, that was disrespectful. It again, you don't have a dog in this fight. Okay, you were a cop for a whole five minutes in the NYPD, then you went to the Secret ser and you ran for Congress, then you got promoted to assistant director of the FBI and quit after ten months. Don't lecture me about being a cop and what's a appropriate protocol, because you have no dog in this fight, none, none at. All, No well, like I said, it is an interesting times that we live in. I appreciate you coming on. It's always great to have you here. I love coming here, man, So it's awesome to have you and I appreciate it. And hope everything goes good for the school year and we go from here better, yes, sir, all right, thank you,