Glad to welcome Marco Galbreth of T four Tactics. We've been talking a little bit before we got started, but I think one of the coolest things right now, I'm getting ready to get out of law enforcement. You've been there, done that shirt. Yeah, got the T shirt. But one of the things that I think about is I think the general public thinks were coming and before all the police reform, it was We're going to be looking for the criminals and they're probably not going to make it to you, and if they do, it's going to be an isolated event. That's not that case anymore. We're not hunting criminals anymore. We were responding to calls. We're firemen with guns at this point. And I think one of the things that are really cool is now you you have a you have a solution for the general public to deal with that type of stuff. So just talk about a little bit about your history, how you got from Florida to Virginia. Okay, So I always wanted to be a cop as long as I can remember, always always watching Adam twelve Chips and UH and my goal. I grew up in Date, born and raised in Daytona Beach, ended up working for the police department down there. But my goal was I wanted to be undercovered narcotics. Uh swat. I wanted to do the police motorcycle and then the major cation. I got to do all of them, so. That's really cool. Yeah, but what was your favorite? Oh wow, in the cooler months, I enjoyed getting paid to ride that motorcycle Harley Davison around because we have all the special events Bike Week, spring Break, the races. That's fun, but you can't beat undercover narcotics. It's you get to use your imagination, you get to to think outside the box, and it's it's just in a just complete adrenaline dump. Because that was probably my most favorite. And you know, the monkey suit's not comfortable, the gun belt, the bulletproof vest, and you know it's. I think, uh, I think what people don't realize about narcotos is is instead of sitting there and waiting for something to happen, you're actually going out and. You're going out and finding it and using your investigative skills, imagination, creativity. But you the only one of the bad parts is you see the worst of the worst. I mean people at below rock Bottom and uh, and and that's you know, you look at people and say that's somebody's daughter or that's somebody's son, and so that that that can get tough, right, worked a lot of homicides, and and I look back and I think some of the people I saw that were just strung it on drugs was more hurtful than working a homicide. So what what do you think about the people that you saw made it the most difficult. It's just like being able to relate and go, how can a human being go from this to that? Or how I think they start partying and they get hooked on something and they have that addictive mindset, they don't have a support A lot of it you look back, and a lot of it comes from parenting. You know, we have we go to the hospital or there's been an OD and the parents show up and you say, well, here's the problem. Right, they were never taught. From what I saw, a lot of it goes back to parenting and just addictive personalities. So how many so how many years were you in Florida Daytona twenty two years of the police department, and we had a really good pension twenty and out, And so I. Think it's a lot like yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a private pension and twenty and out. It was really set up. So I did two extra years and it gets to the point where you're you're making the same amount of money working is if you were collecting that pension. Yeah, And and they're sitting there going out nice. And I'm riding a motorcycle. In my last six years, I was in charge of the motorcycle sergeant of the motorcycle unit, And I thought, why am I on a motorcycle when I can get out of here? You can push it. You know, you've been done some crazy stuff and you push it and you get injured, and you're thinking, then I don't want to be thinking, well, why didn't I get out when I could. Right while I was still healthy? Couldn't enjoy me exactly? Yeah? Yeah, So you retire and how to end up in Virginia. I always wanted the mountain and the seasons and stuff like that. So my wife's from Philadelphia. I'm not going up there. That's it's too far north. She didn't want to go up there either, so we just picked a halfway point. But I'm fourth generation Daytona. We looked at Smith Mountain Lake area. We looked at North Carolina in Virginia, but uh, we really enjoyed going to the lake and uh and I people say, well, why'd you move away from the ocean. Well, when you're there forty two years, it's like people up here saying, you know, well, I'll never move away from the mountains. You do you want to change of pace. I'm grew up surfing. I mean my whole life surfing on the beach. Spend a lot of time at the beach. I want the mountains and I want to see some snow and seasons. Yeah, well maybe we'll get something this year. Yeah, we got a little bit. I think we'll be complaining about it. You're like, wait, wait right right? It was team back to Florida. Yeah. Yeah, So if we have a bad winter, it's your fault. That's right. It's doing my fault for saying it today. So you're going to teach a course on how to drive and snow. It's no, no, I can do soft sand. Yeah very yeah. So you do your twenty two years, you start T four tactics when you get here. Yep, okay, moved up here. I was delivering for Reads saw and tool. For a while. I tried that great place to work, great company, great guys and girls that worked there, but it didn't challenge me. I need that adrenaline rush, and it wasn't my comfort zone. And so I started started teaching firearm safety classes and then T four tactics. Then that evolved into active shooter and situation awareness because that's my comfort zone. You know, I kind of started thinking, why was I trained in all this stuff? Why do I have this experience and I'm delivering saw blades, so that that just wasn't my niche. Right, Yeah. So I think one of the things that because I watched a short video that you did on situational awareness, and I think, just to be forthcoming, I think with the police reform, you have all these unintended consequences. Yeah, and one of the unintended consequences are the general public is going to find themselves in a situation where they better have some kind of understanding or training to deal with a violent instant. And I think it's kind of I don't want to say it's funny, but like when I when I watch people talk about, like, oh my gosh, that that police officer was really violent. Yeah, you rarely see all the things that led up to that event. What you see is you see, like you see that him getting a couple of shots in to get the person in under control. And I'm not saying that there aren't officers that will get a couple of extra shots in. But for the most part, what I found in law enforcement is you have a very violent person, and the quicker you can get into custody, the safer it is for them, and the safer it is for everybody around them. But what I really liked about your situational awareness course is don't be in a don't be in a violent encounter. Yeah, so talk about that. The best way to win a fight is not being one in the first place. It's okay to walk away. It's it's okay to if I can. And I teaching my the conceialed carey classes. If I'm getting robbed, and yeah, I'm justified to use my gun, but I can get out that way. I'm going that way. You know, the last thing you want to do is shoot somebody. But we also had to have that mindset, don't put me in a corner, don't back me in a corner, because I'll go home and you won't. But the biggest thing I think is people. Our environment is always transmitting to us. People are transmitting to us, but some people don't read that, they look right at it because we get in a normalcy bias that well, I've never been attacked, you know, in Lynchberg before, so it'll never happen. We don't have this in Lynchburg, or we don't have this in Bedford or Amherst, so it'll never happen. And so we tend to get into that soft, you know, fuzzy blanket that nothing's gonna happen. We were talking off their you know, when that girl is we had her throat slashed on that train in Charlotte. I got really busy, right and then it died down. Then Charlie Kirk got assassinated. Really busy now with the new elections and things could be changed with the Secondmendment. Really busy, Why don't we stay busy, you know? And we were talking about your bomb detection dogs and Secret Service and stuff like that priorly going on and twenty four to seven, the Secret Service and the Executive Protection Detail for the President will do all they can do to protect the president. Why don't we do that every single day? Yeah, every single day. Why don't we do everything we can do to We don't have the resources of a bomb dog and you know, bulletproof vehicles, and we don't have that, but we need to make sure we're doing everything we can possibly do every single day to protect ourselves. I think it's interesting because we were talking. You said being on a swat teams, this response team and things like that, and I think everybody thinks tactics and they think, Okay, it's all the cool guns, all the cool gear and everything else. But I think all the tag cole operators that I've seen, their brain works. Better than any Yes, yes, any of that. The biggest, most powerful self defense tool we have on us is the gray matter in between our two ears. If we're taught and everybody can learn it. I hear people say, you know, well, I wasn't military, it wasn't police. It can be taught very easily. I get pastors. We do church safety training for active shooter and I get pastors a lot of times. I hear it all the time. They'll call and say, we don't have any big guys with guns, so we can't start a church safety team. That could be no further from the truth. It's eyes and ears. It's communication, effective communication, threat assessment, risk management, and if we focus on that, we're stronger as a team than we are as an individual's. So I want to go into that a little bit more. But before we start that, I think one of the things that I think people when they think about like assess and behavior and things like that, yeah, it seems like, well that's really crazy. Yeah, And I think you know how we told who the bad guys were when we were in Afghanistan. We picked up our hand and wave to them. We could probably pick out pretty quickly who is a problem and who is not right. And assessing people is not based on it's profiling, but it's not based on skin color, what they're wearing, where they come from. God gave us the hairs on the back of the neck, the hairs on our arms, and a gut feeling, and when those act up, we got to listen to it. We have everybody here has the ability to look at somebody and say that's not right, that person's off right, or they're not waving back. I mean, we've sat a sidelights and seeing that person talking to themselves all these different things, and you're like, wait a minute, exactly. Whenever there's a serial killer that's John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer, you always hear the neighbors come out after he's been caught. I knew something was up with him. I always had that feeling. We get that feeling, we could, but people don't go with it because we don't want to be called, you know, we're homophobic, or we're judging this people or that people. You know, so we tend not to say anything. Because it's because we're like, it's the sheep mentality is like, yeah, nobody's getting attack, that's right. If I have to come up with a plan, that means there's a problem, and I want to pretend like it's not a problem. Let's talk a little bit on the church safety plans, because I feel like a lot. I think one of the things I thought was really cool about one of the things that you were talking about on your videos is that this is a place where we welcome people. It's not like a business. We can go hey, we don't want you or we don't want this. Talk about how you prepare these churches for this, So. We train the whole church for three hours, and I don't in any of my trainings, I don't charge per head other than the gun classes, but active shooter and I want the church to pack that congregation, pack that sanctuary with people. More people would get trained, the better we are. But we talk specifically to the safety team and we let them know you're not sealed Team six. This isn't Afghanistan. You're welcoming. The mission of the church is to bring people to Christ or whatever denomination that is. But that's the mission. So we don't want to be intimidating. We don't want to scare people. We want to be welcoming. But we also want a potential bad guy or girl to look at that person and say, you know, they're the nicest usher here, but I wouldn't want across them that command presence. That person is very, very nice, but I wouldn't want to come in here and do something I shouldn't be doing. So it's a mission of the church. It's an oath to God that you're going to protect the church, and we have to do it very diplomatically. So so what I've learned, and I'm wondering if This is part of what y'all do. Is a lot of active shooter events that turn out not to be and a lot of things that are prevented is just contact. Yeah, the person making contact in a place where the person is uncomfortable. Right, Like I interrupted what their thought process was, and because I interrupted it, they're like, well, wait a minute, I don't think. I don't know, because I think people think for me. Most people don't have a propensity for violence, so they're revving themselves up to go do it. You look at all these active shooters that are going they've reabed them up, either with some type of narcotic right, or just in their brain of like this is a problem. This is a problem. And they move so fast and if you if you slow them down and have a conversation with them, it might it might get them to turn around, yeah. And just be diplomatic and talk to them. And we tell churches that they need to have a place set aside with snacks and coffee, that if they get somebody in there that's that's rouffling feathers. Let's have a place to get them aside while we're waiting for law enforcement to show up or we're figuring out how we're going to handle this person. Don't put them in with the flock in the congregation because that's where they want to go. And I think that's an awesome thing that I think a lot of people don't think through that. They don't think through they they think like, this person's a problem. But what you're doing is you're giving them a plan and an alternate plan. So like, we're not gonna let you into this area, right, but we have an area just for you. Yeah, And we're gonna bring you over here and give you free donuts, bagels and coffee or whatever. We're gonna give you a pamphlet about the church. And if it turns out that, you know what, this person is just a little off, but they're not a threat. The only thing you've done is given them free coffee, a donut, and a pamphul about the church. They feel welcome. Let them go into church. But if not, we've got them isolated in law enforcements on the way, or more church security safety team people are on the way. I think I have got to say and I'm not just saying that because you're here, Like I've never ever thought about like having a place to put them to make him feel welcome. Yeah, because it kind of like it de escalates it. Yeah, it does, it does, and it gives you a chance to figure out are they a threat or are they just different. I think that's one of the cool things with your experience level and a lot of the people that have the experience that you do. I think about the old story about they had this really expensive ship and they'd spent tens of thousands of dollars to repair and they found this old dude that had repaired ship for years. He went down there with a ball peen hammer hit it and the rudder started kicking in again, and he charged them. The propeller started kicking in again, and he charges them like fifteen twenty thousand dollars and they're like, what, you're hourly right? He goes all my experience to fix it as quickly as I did. And I think that's what people are paying for when they get you, is they get somebody that has the experience, and you can teach people to be like all these you know, like you said steal tim six, Like you can train somebody at that level, but it isn't affable to what they're doing. But with what you're doing, you're actually giving these people an opportunity of like, hey, here's inside the soft environment that you have. We can give them a soft place, but a safe place for everybody else. Yeah, and I think that's cool. It's a lot about prevention awareness. I'm really really careful not to teach fear or paranoia. It's we're teaching awareness, and we're giving people the skill, education, confidence and knowledge to look at something recognized. Got to shut that down or I need to get away from that. Yeah, And I think that's what I think in a lot of the things, is that you have the extreme, like you talked about when you have a new governor coming in and everybody's like, oh my gosh, I need to get by concealed web yeah and everything else. And that's all fine and good, but if they don't have any training or anything else, what we've done is I won't mention the church, but there's a church I went to and I was like, if anybody ever pulls a gun, you know what my plan was to get on the ground and stay there till they finish shooting at each other. Some places, it's going to look like the okay, corral. Yeah, I am a firm believer the fastest way to stop an active shooter is a well trained guy or girl with a firearm. That's just the quickest way to shut him down. But when we have too many we could be looking at friendly fire, ricochet, good guys shooting good guys because they don't know police coming on seen it. It's too many guns is not the answer. It's just not. And so, how so when you come up with plans like that, what is in your brain of like, hey, is it like a case by case like Okay, I go assess the particular locality that I have and this is what I recommend. Yeah, I'll look at what's two blocks behind that building? Three? Are there any concerning areas that we need to talk about? And then I do a facility review and that gives me the opportunity to create a specific plan for that building. You know, the demographics who comes there, if it's a business, what type of work do they do, what kind of employees, vendors, customers do they bring in? So it's all customized to that facility, and it also brings in people. I just went to a church last night and did a facility review. We're going to do church training Saturday. But when I'm talking to the congregation and I say, you know how when you go down the stairs and you turn left and the children's churches right there, it clicks with people. Okay, he's seen this and I know where he's talking about, and that brings them in. We want to bring people in. A lot of people are scared to death about active shooter training, you know. They I don't want to hear this, So yeah, we got to soften it up. I don't want to sugarcoat it, but I don't exaggerate it. So I think that for me, what I hear is I hear yeah, No, I do your voices all the time. But like from my standpoint, what I hear in what you're saying is is being aware of where you're at your surroundings and having a plan, right, and so people can do that for their home. Correct. Absolutely, So talk about so when you you talk about different areas around what what is something that would trigger So I did an assessment for this for the locality I worked for, and they had something that was a problem inside of that facility. Yeah, something that is a magnet to people that would possibly be a violent account. Yeah, So what are things that you look at that you're like, hey, this is a potential issue for you, or this is not going to be an issue. So we I want the building to be secure to where people look at it and say, Okay, they've got security. But we don't want any building looking like a prison, you know, especially a church. And so we want the building to keep the bad guy out if we need to. We want it to work for us in the event of an attack and not against us. So we need areas of refuge. People don't think about that. We need locking doors on heavy doors, no glass, and again it can be designed so it's soft and welcoming, but we're looking at things like that. One of the biggest problems I see on businesses is they have the double doors where you open them. And this last shooting, I think it was in Memphis, I'm not sure, but they put a two by four through that door. Now that cut down an exit. You're not coming out of there. So it's just little things that we can do to the building to get it to work for us and not against us. So when you say, though, when you assess three or four blocks back, what are you looking for three or four blocks back? That's like, okay, this is this is something that could cause you a problem. If it's so, If it's that's a good question. If it's let's say it's a housing project and that has a crime, a high crime rate, shooting drugs, then we'll go look at that building. Is there a path that cuts through because people are cutting through coming to our property to go to the to the convenience store next door? Is can something possibly spill over from there into our property? Is there a gas station you know, two doors down that brings in a lot of drug use. So that's what we're looking at is is. And I think I think what's really cool about that is by doing it that way, you will also give them the ability when you train them of like, hey, your first response when you have somebody going past that might not be a shooter. They should be going they might be going to the convenience store. Yeah, And so like you're you're collecting all the information so they can come up with a complete plan. Could be something innocent. But what we're doing is teaching them if somebody comes from that complex that has high crime, you do it needs need to at least be watching them. And like you said, it could be completely innocent or it could be somebody looking for criminal opportunity. Yeah, and I don't know. I think a lot of times people want to And this is my biggest complaint about law enforcement. I do active shooter training all the time. We're willing to invest all this time and effort to respond. Yeah, no money or prevention or at least identifying problem. And when you hear of an active shooter attack in the news, they bring in these FBI agents. They bring in these FBI agents and they critique what happened. But very seldom do you hear the local news of the nations, national news saying let's look at how this could have been prevented in the first place. Most active shooter attacks and violent attacks are preventable. I go out. I've gone to seventeen different locations of some of the worst attacks we've had, and I've interviewed ninety one people, and at one time in those interviews, I'll take them to breakfast, lunch, dinner, coffee. That's where I get my information. But I'm sitting here thinking that could have been prevented by what you just told me, you know, they ignored the warning signs. And then another thing they all say is I never thought it would happen here. It happens at this church, it happens there, it happens at this business. Never thought it would happen in our location. Every single one of those people, ninety one people, they said that in common, right across the board. So, without going into a lot of detail, talk about what it's like to talk to somebody that survives a island encounter and you're sitting there going like your guts like tore up because you're like man, like one one extra step, yes, would have prevented all. Yes, a lot of it is healing a lot of the people. When I call them and they're victims, witnesses, survivors, law enforcement, that's who I'm talking to. And of course, you know, the law enforcement can just rattle it out. They're not as emotional, but the victims and survivors and witnesses get very emotional. But it's a part of healing, being able to talk about it. Yeah, I don't know. We had a wonderful lady here whose husband was killed in front of her and she talked talked about that and like her ability to just talk about him and who he was and everything else. It just it did seem like it gave her an outlet to say, like everybody has thought of my husband as this who he was to me. Right, it's a side note, but like I do think that, I do think I think that's the thing that's most gut wrenching for me, and what and it has to be for you were well to do is talking to him and going that is that's preventable. And they're very very descriptive, you know when they say I saw this and I saw that, and I'm just sometimes I get angry being law enforcement. I get angry, why couldn't I have been there? Like Southern Springs Baptist Church, twenty six people killed, and I have a video, a specific video on that I put together with pictures of the church right after it happened, the memorial wall. And sometimes when I watch that, my emotions are sad. I'll get teared up because twenty six people, there were infants, there were people of all ages that he just leveled that rifle off. To that case, if you were an adult, you just got shot. If you were an infant, elementary school, middle school, you got shot numerous times and you had some very vulgar words said to you. That's just demonic. He's there because he's mad at the mother in law. What does a baby, an infant and a little three year old have to do with the mother in law? And just the rage that he showed to those kids, And then thinking, so what I do is the reason I go out and talk to these people is run, hide, fights outdated. I don't like that. I think it's an element to active shooter. But what we have to do is learn what was what were these locations, what were their mistakes and successes, Where did they fail to let this happen? And then during the event, where did they do to make it worse or to make it better. So that's what my training is focused on. West. I think from my standpoint in doing the active futer training, I think that we are preparing to react and fight. The last thing we're telling him we're going to do is fight right. And so it just for me that is always been like one of my most difficult points alert training. They have gotten millions upon millions of dollars, well invested dollars from the government to react to an active shooter and they've sold saved countenance lives. Yeah, how many lives if they invest, it's like just a quarter of that into things like you do to prevent them prevention. It's most of them are most active shooter takes, even most personal violent attacks are preventable. You know, from being in law enforcement. You do a traffic stop, you're walking them in the car, you're watching shoulder movements, you're looking everything that's you're preventing it right there. Right, Civilians can do that, and we can do it in our church, We can do it in our schools. We can prevent this by proper training and awareness, not paranoia, proper training and awareness. So situational awareness. And this is a pet peeve of minds. Yeah, just take this journey with me. Yeah. One of my biggest problems right now with law enforcement is we are negotiating with people on the side of the room, and these officers from doing behavior analysis and the things that you do is being aware of your situation. Just give your point of view. My point of view, I'll tell you mine, so we don't walk over each other. But my point of view is when I'm sitting there having a conversation on the side of the road and I'm asking you to do something. You are sitting there assessing me, and you're saying, he is not going to do what he needs to do to extract me from this car. So I am coming up with a plan to either get away or to end his life so I can get away. I'm looking for tools and opportunity to take advantage of this. That's what I see when I see these officers. You have two you have two officers in Virginia Beach that are killed on a traffic stop. I don't know all the details of that, but what I do know is it's unless you have somebody that like and that that was an extended stop, I believe, and so, but like you have like in New Mexico, the trooper that gets out, he has a conversation, the guy gets out, he shoots him as he's going back to his call. That's pretty quick. Yeah, and that's an ambush. But how many of these things really aren't ambush? Is it's just interaction? Yeah? I don't know, like what your when you assess stuff like that? Are we are we crippling? Are we handcuffing our officers by sitting there going you need to negotiate with these people. I think, I think there's de escalation and there's mutual respect. But in law enforcement, you and I were taught ask them, tell them, make them yes, And now it's ask them, ask them again, ask them, plead with them, plead with them again. There's there's very, very, very seldom make them. But we were told, you know, you tell him, and that's it. And I think, like you said, bad guys are assessing us just like we're assessing them. They're looking at the physical fitness of the officer. They're looking at the holster and the duty belt and is that warn is it brand new? You know? They look at all that stuff. And I think also they look at the sharpness of the officer. Did they sleep in that uniform? You know? Are they groomed well? I think that has a lot to do with it. The grooming law enforcement grooming has gone downhill, downhill. When I was in narcotics in the in the major case unit, we grew beards. My pet, Peeve, is a beard in uniform. I just I'm old school. I just think when you're in uniform, it's high and tight, dialed in sharp. People look at you and wow. But I mean, times have changed. I'm old, but uh no, but I think there's a time for for you know, narcotics, s I U, something like that O s I Beard you know. But so you agree that that their assesssin. And we're getting a lot of officers hurt and killed because they are. We aren't saying I'm going to ask you, I'm going to tell you right, and then I'm gonna make you that's right. The command presence isn't there, and sometimes that's from grooming. I've interviewed bad guys that have done horrible things to police officers and they've said I signed them up. You know, they're they're not physically fit, they're not uh, they're they're you know, they're talking to me and they've got their gun side towards me and they're I mean, these guys go to prison and they're told watch this, when you get stopped, watch this, watch that. Are they holding something in their their stronghand you know, or what's their their situation awareness studying us just like we're teaching civilians to study them. Yeah, I don't, So we'll try this away from that because we could go on forever. Yeah, yeah, And you know, and I think. I think you have unintended consequences for things people do. I think. I always thought it was interesting when we talk about police reform and then you have your local population pissing and moaning because they have to come for jury duty. Right, Well, that's part of it. It used to be nobody would want to take a chance with the jury because if I get convicted the jury, the jury finds me guilty. Yeah, and then they sentenced it. And so you had dudes that were getting that they were going in their role in the die and getting life sentences and they're like, I don't want to do that. But now you can do a jury sentence, so you only have to convince one out of that group that you didn't do it. Why not take the chance because the judge is ultimately going to sentence you and your sentence in guidelines. And that's what frustrates me, is it frustrates me when we talk about politicians and everything else and like for me, like the ice stuff, it's not their fault. That is their task. Their their task and mission is to remove people who are not here legally. If you don't like it, go to your politicians. Vote somebody in that has a different view obviously based on what we had in the last presidential election. People said build a wall, keep us safe enough. Enough's enough. But yeah, but for four years we let certain people in and they were allowed to flourish and run around and get all kinds of benefits. Now we're figuring out these are bad people and we need to get them out, and that people don't like it. I saw something the other day when I was scrolling through and it had a nice guy with his gun at low ready and they were just like vilifying and they were like, I cannot believe he's pointing a gun at reporters and everything else. And it's like, no, that's a productive position. Yeah, because people have been throwing stuff at his car, and in Chicago they actually shot at it, so you know, don't be surprised if they turned the other side and like you you project this and then they respond, right. And I think a lot of people think it's a game. I think a lot of people. I think a lot of cops think it's it's a game. It's that it gets to a point where you can call time out or something like that. But you see these people that are trying to fire up the police and right up the police. And then it gets physical and they're calling the cops all different names and horrible names and spitting at them and kicking them. Well, when the cop physically fights back, as they're justified to do, then it's call your supervisor, what your what? No? You you can't turn it up. And then when the cop starts doing what he's supposed to do, you want his badge number? Give me a break. Wow, it's not a game. It's a Yeah, it's a consequence you made a poor decision. I think one of the things that I think I wish was said more is I feel like every police of officer shooting that I've seen on video, every single person that was shot or somebody would hands on or anything else, there was one thing all of them had in common. They were not They had gone past the ask and they had gone past the toll. And so every single one of them, they weren't doing what they were asked to do. The side of the road is not a time for you to make a decision only to be tried or anything else like that. When they tell you to do it, they have to do it. And so I just I just think that I wish that people would have more honest conversations with their population and say there's a very violent element out there, and if we don't interdict them at a place of our choosing, they're coming to your home. And when they do, we're not going to be there to help you. We will get there probably after the violent event has occurred, probably involving your wife, your children, and everything else. And like, if you think it's violent, when you have a trained on trained, even if it's a train that's not physically fit, yep, that's going to look a whole lot better than a victim who has no training. I feel like they want to think that these people they're just going to go back to the way their life. No, they are predators. They are out there looking for people. Are It's no different than you get up every day and you're like, hey, I'm going to do this to help people. There are people in this world that go out there and go I'm going to find the weakest person I can and I'm going to get what I need or what I want if I have to take it. And I've studied it, and I've studied it. And no sign on the front door that says no weapons or firms allowed is going to stop me because I've predatory violence. I've planned it, I've planned it, I've planned it, and when I go up to this person, that's what's going to happen. Yeah, So talk a little bit about on the you were talking on your side of the classes that you you teach as far as you know behavior, So when you teach the behavior you we were talking about how when people come in you have to like convince them, like I guess the people that show up are convinced, like, hey, there's a problem. Yeah, how so talk. About some of those things. What can we put out there to tell the general public, Like, it's not an EBB and flow. You need to maintain at least a minimal operational efficiency of this. I get a lot of people that take that observational based behavior analysis class, and that's teaching the environments, teaching to read people. It's it's I don't like saying CIA based or FBI behavior analysis based, but it is. It's what they teach the CIA and FBI to look and read more into it environment and everything like that you did in Afghanistan. You know, you read, you read things, and so I think it's a lot of people just get in that mindset. It's not going to happen to me. I'll never have anything bad happen to me. But it's just reading. All it is is just you're Like we said earlier, environment is transmitting. We have to learn to receive that. So let's talk about a couple of the things, the couple of the situations that the general public finds themselves in, and what would you recommend for them to assess. So go back to the example of no farms allowed into a convenience store right before, we talk about from the moment that you pull into a convenience store to the moment you pull out, what is going through your head to be efficient. So if I travel a lot for active shooter training all over the country, I'll drive when I can, so I have the drama of airlines. I hope I make it all. I hope. I hope my luggage makes it to me. But so I travel a lot in places I don't know when I pull up there, if I see that the front is front of the store is trashed, the broken window theory. If I see that the trash cans overflowing, there's trash out by the gas pumps. The weeds are overgrown, that's telling me that's not a good area. When I see that it's clean and well kept, that's a good area. That's a place to stop. So we have to look at stuff like that. Is anybody hanging around by the front door? Is there are the people hanging around by the dumpster? Because that's going to be a potential for problems for me, So we'll go somewhere else. But it's just looking at that, reading the environment. And then when you get out. I tell people have a five yard and a twenty five yard bubble around you. So before you get out that convenience store, look five yards around you what's immediately close to me, and then twenty five yards out what's far away. Then when you get out of your car, keep that five and twenty five yard bubble. I'm looking at stuff that's close to me. I'm looking at stuff that's far away. And if I see something that doesn't look right to me, because I have that sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth sense, you know, if I see something that ruffles the hairs on the back of my neck or then I leave, that's not right. The human brain is going to try to analyze that. Okay, that's somebody waiting for the store clerk to get off work, so it's okay, I'll go in. Well, it may not be right, but we tend to we tend to think that nothing battle happened to me, normalcy bias, and I'm going. To run in this store and run back out, and that's that we got to read. That's that's when it gets bad. Yeah. But so one of the things that I think about is I think about interdiction work and one of the things that I think people do a lot of fun, yes, but I think one of the things that people do is I think people think that we're out there going I really want to stop that because it has this, this and this. No, what I'm looking at is there's a family going to this, there's this person. And it's different. What you're observing going past you is depending on what time of day it is. If you're at four or five o'clock, you've seen people going home from work, right, you know, and and so I'm like work or right, work, And then I have the dude that slides almost try trying to get underneath the side of the window. I'm like, that's the problem. The one that's we usually work I ninety five interrediction and the speed limit was seventy miles an hour. The one at three o'clock in the morning's doing seventy both hands on the steer wheel, looking straight in like that. They got drugs. They're running from Miami and back. That's the one, right, And that's just reading. It, you know. And they could have been green, absolutely, and it would have made a bit of difference. Yeah, judging on skin color will throw you off base or gets you, you know, gets you jammed up. But it's just it's things like that has nothing to do with the car. There's nothing to do with the car nothing. It's all behavior. Based, yep. Yeah. And it's that gut feeling. There's a lot of great cops out there that work off gut feeling. And it's right, we have that gift. Yeah, well let's go back to uh and this is this is for me. It's one of the things because I think we have rad we rape progression and that all that training, but that isn't prevention, right. So college girl, she gets it. She is going from let's say she decides Let's say she decides to go to a basketball game. We could you tell a young lady that's going to a basketball game seven o'clock start. You know it's gonna be dark when she gets out, she has to get to her car. What's the best plan that she could come up with to not be a victim of crime. That's a good question. Google is a wealth of information. So she can look at that stadium. If she's going to go to that stadium or whatever venue, look at that stadium and see what kind of crimes have been reported there. You can go on UCR dot gov, FBI dot gov. You look at uniform crime reports. You can see what kind of crime's go on in that town or city. But you can ask around that. You can Google Google Earth it and look at the satellite map, what's behind it, what kind of area is it in. But they think about where she parks. If if I'm going to pull up to the stadium, I want the door on the door the entrance to the stadium to be on my driver's side, so then when I get out and come back, I'm not walking around to the blind side of a car. If I face this way when I come back to get to the driver's door, I've got to walk around to a blind side that I can't see. She can park in a well lit area, walk with a purpose. If I walk like this through the parking lot on my phone, I'm telling the bad guys so many things. Like you said, they study, they study us, And I'm telling the bad guy I probably won't fight. I probably don't have any defensive tools on me. I won't see you coming up at me. I won't be able to identify you, and I'm clueless. But if that young lady puts the phone down in her hand, shoulders up, walks for the purpose, head on a swivel, walking at a decent pace, like she's got a purpose. That's not somebody I'm gonna attack, because she's thought about her personal safety. I could see that by looking at her, And so it all A lot of it has to do with you might be the weakest person in the world, but we can put out the perception that we're the strongest person in the world. Don't mess with me, right, And so a lot of it's that. But parking in a well lit area, calling friends and family, Hey, I'm getting here at this time and I should be leaving at this time. Great infor they've got this. I think I think kids think, they just don't think, and. Especially young ones. You were a young cop at one time. I was a young cop at one time, and I was invincible. Oh yeah, and I did things on that police motorcycle and I looked back it was like unbelievable, unbelievable and things. You know. It's I think young ones, they the young generation. I was the same way, and it won't happen to me. It won't happen to me, and I am invincible. I can take this, yep. And then you get older. I remember, and I think everybody goes through it. You're invincible until you latch onto somebody that's right, and you're and you looked at him and you're like, this dude's like twenty thirty pounds less weight than I am. Yeah, and knows whyy. Dudes, it's those are dudes that could fight forever. And like you're sitting there and you're like, I cannot believe this dude's bend in all these different directions. Yeah, and I cannot get that second hand and you're. Using all these Yeah. My first brand new rookie, my first fight, I went to a subway. The guy was trashing the place. And I get there and he chills out, and I go to ask for his license and he hands it to me when I went to reach where he went and held it out here and now, and I could see the look in his eyes like it's on, and it was, and it was just me and him, and good lord, you think a minute, you think you look at your watch the minute, it's not a long time. A minute, it's a long time like that when you're tasting blood, that's right, that's right. I'm not bleeding, but I trasted blood. And I was. I mean, I was fit twenty wow, probably twenty years old. I started when I was nineteen twenty years old. And after that, when the backup got there and we got him secured, I'm, you know, like gasping for air. It's just a may. I don't think I do. And that's why I respect. We had a conversation. I had a conversation with the dude that was a wrestler. Yeah, And I was like, by far, that is the worst worst sport to yes, yes, And he was like it really wasn't that bad. And I was like, that's because you wrestled, Because I went I played football and they're like, hey, wrestle with this. We don't have it. And I was just like, like you said, like I was like when I went down to get in that whatever position it was where you're like, yeah, you're locked in and they you know, I don't know if it's a matter, but all I could think was like, I hope you don't blow the whistling time soon, because like I need to catch my breath. I can't. I can't with that. And that's what people don't realize, and that's why they need to hear. What we're talking about is the reality is you're gonna get really winded after about ten seconds of a fight. It's not like on TV where where uh. You hit him and they followed out that's right. Or you get hit five or six times with a bare fist and there's no blood on the actor and they're just coming back. That's not a fight. You look at MMA stuff, they get hit one time in the face and there's blood, they're swelling, right, And so I think it's just letting people know this is the reality. Is it? Is it a two minute fight? Is two hours? Yeah, it's a. Long it's an attorney And even when you pop that emergency button. Yeah, you can hear them coming, but you're like, are they doing? Are they sitting still with the siren? Yeah? I was an incident once and I'm hearing them jump the median. It was a shooting and I was gun to gun with this guy and I can hear him jump to the median and the siren. I'm like, are they just sitting there? What are they doing? But it's what we talk about that area the time continuum, and we talk about in the situation weareness class in active shooter training. We talk about how completely upside down you're gonna get at one hundred and seventy five hundred and eighty five beats per minute. People that have not been there, you can't. You can't describe it. It's to me, the only thing I can describe it is And I thought about that, and I think anybody's been in law enforcement, especially the high speed stuff like you did, is it's like an old movie reel. Yeah, it's like it's choppy, Like it's like you got a clear picture, it's not clear, and it's clear again, and then like when you go through, like when I worked narcotics, I feel like they had turned that thing up to about one hundred, and I had all those thinges flashing through my head and I was like, I can't slow this. And you look back and you're like, did that? Did I do that? Did that happen? It's like when Alec Baldwin chot and hilled that woman. I honestly don't think he remembers pulling the trigger. I don't obviously he did, but I'll say, well, he's lying. He pulled the trigger. He did pull the trigger, I think, but I don't think he remembers it. It's you know, it's in that moment, you don't it's just a yeah. So I mean, even you think. I mean, I feel like they train us well on all those different things, and I think I think even with training, you sit there and you're like, I don't you know. I remember after I don't really know how we got from here to here. It had to be something bad, right, but like I just remember. I just remember it being like we're finishing up, Like I don't know how we went from I'll tell these stories, but like, I know some of the fights that I was in, I was just like I was rolling around and then the next minute, the next minute, I'd gotten him into a better position than I had won. But I had no idea how I got there. Yeah, I just knew that they had done something really stupid, because like I'm picking up gear that I like, I remember a guy one time that I just I had him and then he was gone, and I looked down at my handcuffs were there, and I was like, I have no idea. It's like who died? Yeah, and they're fighting in jeans and a T shirt or shorts and a T shirt. We're fighting in all that gear and that's restricting. Yeah, I wore motorcycle boots, you know, on the bike, and and you can't run in those things now you can't. It's their restricts. So you got to you got to train for that. But you look at some of the incidents, you know, fights we've been in, and you look at the radio call log from when you called for help to where you called you know they're in custody, and you you think fifteen seconds, there's no way that was like that was like a twenty minute fight that guy. So that that one I was telling about the who deeded me the only thing that made me feel good, and it came out in circuit court because I fought that dude. My hands were like like tore up. Yeah, And all I can remember was like I was like, I can't believe you got away right. I got my I got my feeling of satisfaction. He went to circuit court and his girlfriend testified. She's like it looked like he was in a car wreck. And I was like, well, I guess I did something. I guess I did something right, even if I didn't get him into custody, like I guess I did at least like my hand, I paid, my hand paid the price, like I always laugh with my kids, like I only have like one good knuckle, like all the rest of them are gone. And I don't think people understand like how and I think when from my standpoint, like one of the things that I think is miss missing in law enforcement is the legacy these dudes gave us like once before us, like they they fought a whole lot more than we did. And that was a yes, no taser, no pepper spray. It was it was either fist button yeah. And and and but they established order. And I think that's what scares me about where we're at right now. Is. Most of the dudes that knew how to restore water are gone or they're they're they're to the point in their career that they're like, I'm not taking that. Yeah, yeah, it's not. I think that's scary, especially when you when you look at like the we were talking about before, like these people that have come over into this country, who I think the last estimate I heard there's like thirteen hundred well trained Al Qaeda ISIS fighters. And I think about how things get jammed up right now with like one or two, like one active shooter will shut down on campus or just the threat of something. Oh yeah, but now you've got somebody that's highly trained, and what are we going to do in law enforcement? We're going to go out there. We're going to be like, Okay, it's a barricade. No, he's preparing for the in battle. We better be better than they are, and we're not. As civilians and as law enforcement, we have to be better than they are. And they are very well trained. They're well equipped. Just like the Halloween the FBI foiled major attacks that we're going to be on large venues this past Halloween. It was in the news for one day and it's that went away. It went away fast. It was isis and it went away fast. The media, the media squashed it. Media squash. That's pretty cool. Squatch yeah, advertisement, yes, squatch qutch, yes, clutch question the media question, but they did. They just got rid of it. And we need to know that. It should have been in the media a little bit more. But we need to know that because we've got a lot of large venue events coming up Thanksgiving, Fall, festivals, Christmas, and the general public doesn't need to be scared about stuff like that, but they need to know aware this was being planned and like you said, thirteen thirteen thousand, you know well trained al Qaeda in this country, ICE is going to pick up where they left off Halloween Day. They're going to pick up and we have to be aware of that situation. Awareness, see something, say something, pass on information. From so go back just I think one of the things that I think is the coolest of what you do is to keep your home safe. Yeah, what does a plan to keep your home safe? Looks like the best thing to do And I tell this to businesses in church is the best thing to do is sit there and look outside of your house and say if I was a bad guy, how would I gain entry? Or the same way with a church or a business. If I was going to be an active shooter for this church or this business, how would I get in? How would I execute the plan? And that's where businesses, churches, homes will say, you know what, we always leave that back door propped open for the smokers. We got to shut that door. That's a vulnerable point. So I would look at the house, I would look at the interior exterior and think of a bad guy. Something is simple as when we do these home security assessments. You go up the stairs. There's a landing, then you go up second set of stairs. If you were to put evase a potted plant there and you're being chased upstairs, you throw that. You just grab that and throw it behind you. You've put a barrier in between them. Now it's going to slow them down. And then think about where is my security area. If I'm going to have to defend inside my house, where's the best place to do it? Finished an ominous yep. I don't. When we first moved up here, we got an alarm system. It went off quite a bit, just a couple of false alarms, and I would tell my wife, don't turn on lights because we're at a home court advantage. I know my house like the back of my hand. When I turn on lights, Yeah, I'm letting them see, Oh there's a hallway right there or there he is. So it's just having a plan. But I believe that you have to have a firearm in the house. You know, some people don't believe that that's okay, but I believe you have to have that readily accessible. You got to think about if the bad guy's coming down to the master bedroom raging down the hallway with a knife or a gun. If I shoot them and it goes to the dry wall into my kids room, I got problems. So all that needs to be thought about and select what you're going to use exactly exactly. Shot is not the best option. No. Yeah, I'm not a fan of a shotgun or a long gun for interior because a lot of times I need to be on the phone with nine to one one. I like a handgun for interior. That's just me. Other people are different, and that's fine, whatever works for you. But I want to be able to turn on lights and if I have to physically fight that person. I don't want both my hands held up with a long gun or a shotgun. I just for me, I feel more, what are you like you handgun? For interior? What would you? It depends on who I'm fighting what they have. So for me, I don't want to. I want to. I don't want to tell a story on my wife, but like I always get on her and she was like, why do we have two of them in here? And I was like, once for you, and she goes, well, if they make it to me, I don't know what I'm gonna do, Like they've already taken the big one out and I was like, no, that's the wrong idea, right Like, So for me, I prefer like I prefer a pistol because I can maneuver around and everything else come from. And I don't have any long I don't have any long hallways. Now if I'm going into a school, right you know, I'm definitely And it's just different. And I think that's one of the things that I talk to people about all the time, is from a tactical standpoint. I always think it's funny when they're like I remember I had a guy one time that came up to me and he was like, yea, we the says does it this way? And I was like yeah, But they also have all the information on that building. They've been out there collecting information about that building. Why this barricade is continued. They didn't just happen stance upon this and direct a threat. They knew where the threat was because they've already sought all their equipment and they know something about it. Like so don't you know, don't bullshit a bullshit or you know, the fact is like they have more information. I always think about, like we talked about the Israeli you know, pine and stuff like that. Well that works really good until you're inside of a trailer and like you have those paper thin walls, Like where's most of my protections in my chest? If I'm walking down the hallway, I'm gonna get hit in the arm, and my arm's not gonna stop that bullet. It's gonna go right through and it's gonna's I'm done. I'm down for the count. And so like for me, it's definitely a pistol. Round it out. So this is why I would like to round it out, is talk about some of the classes that you get that you provide and how people would get involved in what y'all do with T four tactics. So the class I enjoy teaching the most by far is that Observational based Behavior Analysis class Situation Where's class because I see people just click, especially the young ladies. A lot of ladies that are widowed will come take that class. I have a lot of guys take it. But I really enjoy that when we just go so deep and I've had people that leave and say, you know, I never thought about doing that, and I've been doing this. I'm gonna stop doing that and start doing this. And then we do the concealed permit. We do the Utah non Resident multi state. Talk about that a little bit because I think that's an interesting point because I think a lot of people get there, get their permit, and they don't understand, like there's there's a different dements. Yeah. Yeah, So you know from being in law enforcement, when you when you do something, they're gonna look at your training, right, So we don't need conceal you and I don't need concealed permits. We've got the leos so HR two eighteen. So as a retired officer, I have to shoot every year and show proficiency, and then I can carry in all fifty states. So I don't need the Virginia permit or the Utah multi state, but I have them because if I go to court, if Heaven forbid, I have to use my firearm. I want to go to court and say I don't need this, but I have this training. I've got this training. I've got this training more. That's right. It's going to really your attorney's gonna love you when you when you've taken classes. I didn't do the minimum, yeah exactly, I didn't just do the concealed class. And I never shoot, I never practice train. Yeah, you want to show that you're the most reasonable, responsible gun owner out there. So the multi state class will bring you up in reciprocity. It fluctuates a lot, because Virginia fluctuates sometimes the reciprocity, but the multi state will give you about eleven more states. But it shows that training. With this new governor, if she attacks the Virginia concealed permit like they did the Democrats did years ago, and reciprocity took a big hit. You could. I don't know what they're going to do in Richmond, but you could be able to fall back on that Utah permit and say I've got I've still got my reciprocity. Utah requires you to have your Virginia permit or to get that permit. So what is the difference in the training for the multi. It's really it's really not that much different. Utah requires four hours fingerprints and photographs. They do a background check, but it's the first hour and a half is just firearms safety reviewing, firearm safety, suicide prevention, locking your gun up. And then the last hour and it takes time for fingerprints photographs, but the last hour twenty minutes is Utah law. You teach. So you teach those classes at your place. Yeah, yeah, yep, and we're just over on mill Ridge Road, which is over near home depot. But yeah, Utah wants you to know Utah law since they're issuing you a Utah. Non permit or non resident. And then we do active shooter training for all types of facilities, churches, schools, hospitals, everything. We come in andto a facility assessment, risk management, risk assessment set up with a threat assessment team. What puzzles me is Virginia requires every school to have a threat assessment team. Why doesn't every church and business on the United States have a threat assessment team. That's where you're going to identify your threat and more than likely shut it down. If there are so many, Like when I went out and talked to those ninety one people, I'm thinking, if you had just had a threat assessment team and somebody had heard them say that and gone and done something, that attack would have never happened. And I think that's what's interesting about it is you're not just teaching like theory. You're teaching like, this is what I have on a first hand basis. You didn't lose it in the interpretation. Why would this person say this? Right? You talk to survivors and people that were there once it happened. Yep. And we've turned interviews into realistic situations to where I can say, hey, this is what I heard on this interview, straight from somebody that was there. Not Wikipedia, not University of Facebook, not YouTube. This was a direct interview where they've they've said this, and then that's what I bring back. I don't change it around. This is what happened. So I'm gonna put you on the spot. Uh oh, I'll give you time to think about it. What was the failure of the security team. For Charlie Kirk. Probably complacency. Didn't check the roofs. It's just we do this all the time. He's going to get a lot of verbal stuff, but there's never been any physical you know like that, and so there probably won't be. Yeah, but a drone as simple as just having a drone up that day Charlie's team Turning Point USA could have afforded a really nice drone, but put a drone up and collect what's going on in those rooftops. And I think that's what's always interesting on all of them. Yeah, there is a consistent theme. Yeah, when. Got shot in Pennsylvania. Yeah, who got blamed for all of it? It's the local law exactly exactly they should have done this. Yeah. Politics, Yeah, start blaming local LA enforcement on that. It's that's not federal. That's not federal. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think for me, I think it's important if people don't hear anything else about what we talk about, which is have a plan, but don't stop with having a plan. Let your plan get I don't want to say a tacked but like test it, right, test it. See if it really does exactly. And I think that's what's cool about what you do. It's not just tested with the active shooter training that you have, it's tested over time based on interviews that you've done with others. Yeah, different locations, different venues, different people, all different parts of the country. Yeah, And I would you know, we've both been on protection details and I and when're talking about Charlie Kirk's team, I wouldn't fault them because I've looked at I've done protection details in DC, New York, Baltimore, and I've looked back and thought, we could have done this. We could have, We probably should have. Nothing went bad, but I looked at it and said, you know, we could have done this. There's all you can always look at every incident and say and I know we could have done that. And I think that's one of the things that I think people don't realize, like the Tier one Delta all them they do after action reviews. Yeah. And I think one of the things that we fail in law enforcement and day to day operations is just winning because something happened in your favor is not winning, right, Like if you don't at the end of that you don't sit there and have a moment where you're like, we could have done this. Better, or what if this had happened? Yes, we won, but what if this, yes, in a fraction of a second, had happened. Because you're absolutely correct, like with and I think that's a really cool point. Those dudes reacted better than the Secret Service did once he was shot. They were on it, they were highly they were trained, yes, I and so. So I think the thing to think about is is that sometimes is good to have second eye. Yeah, second group of second set of eyes look at it and go right, we could have done this. Yeah. So and for civilians, you know, I always ask, well, who's done threat assessment? And nobody's hand goes up in an auditorium of eight hundred people, three hands will go up, and that's military law enforcement. And then I tell them everybody does threat assessment. If you have kids and you're cooking on the stove and the kids starts walking towards the stove and you tell them, I get back, that's threat assessment, right, And then people like brighten up, Oh I have done that. I have done that. We do it every day, we do it driving threat assessment. But people hear that word threat assessment, risk management. That's for the military of the police. Our church can't do that. Yeah you can, which is a little bit of training. Right. Well, I appreciate your time. I appreciate you. It was awesome. I think one of the coolest things is just the way that you look at things. I think it would be very helpful to a lot of people. You do have a class coming. Up, I do. We've got one at Loose Shoe Brewery which is in Amherst, for that situation awareness observational away. In this class, it's usually one hundred dollars. Loose Shoe Breweries done some things to make it fifty dollars per person. It's Monday night, that's coming Monday night, which is at the thirteenth. How much space do you have? How many people can and you get it? I think they can get forty five people in there. And we've done this two other times at their Appomatics location. In this one, it's sold out. I haven't talked to Darren from Luci Shoe yet to see how many have signed. Up, but it's definitely trying to worth having. It is, Yeah, it is, and it's a good time. This one's. This one's ladies only because at the end we're going to do a town hall type meeting and I'm going to just say, what are your concerns in the community, What scares you at home? Your private gym that you go to, or your shopping mall, you know what, what are your concerns. So we'll open it up. So here's the question. Since it's a brewery, is it twenty one and above or not? No, it's it's it's kid friendly. I think we put it at fifteen and up with a parent. I do show some graphic videos and the reason I don't show graphic video in my classes or active shooter, but in this particular class situation winners, we have to let people know you and I know people can be horrible, just completely violent, ruthless. So we have to show a couple of videos to show how absolutely cold hearted and ruthless and demonic people can be. We got to understand our attacker and know what type of violence are they working under. Is it social aggression or a social aggression because the two are, you know, hugely different. So it's the seventeenth from what time six. It's I can't believe another day it is this Monday. I don't even know what today is it is? What do he what? Today? We're looking at it. We've got people for that. Yeah, yeah, thirteenth, thank you. Yeah, our backstage people told us that it's the thirteenth. It's the thirteenth, it's six pm. Six And you register through them. So from my classes, you go to the T four Taxtics website register on the website. But for this you register and pay it at Lushue. Okay, all right, sounds good. Well I'm sure you'll have a full house. I think we will. Yeah, we usually do, and we get some good conversations and and that's that's the best class. I love teaching it because I see the faces light up. Well, I think you look at it and go, I could have I possibly prevented one of these people. Yeah, numerous people. I do get a lot of phone calls from people, you know, especially businesses and churches. We've set up the threat assessment team, and I'll get calls. Listen to what our threat assessment team just just caught. I went to San Francisco last year. October was last year. Make a long story short, big construction company. Well, they're working on a school that's in session, and two days after the training, because of what they learned, they stopped the guy going in with a backpack, a fake gun, a fake bomb, pepper spray, zip ties, and handcuffs. They from that training, they looked at him, called law enforcement. He ended up fighting law enforcement run in they called the helicopters. He was a bad guy. But that construction been some of my problems. Yeah, it worked, the training. Yeah, so well, thank you very much for that. It's been enjoyable. It's I like reminiscing about police work and stuff like that. It's it's always and it's good to be out. I only got a couple of months. That's right, you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good for you. Well, I appreciate your time. Yeah, thanks for having on
